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  • Not an error, but this seems to be the only place to post misc suggestions without it breaking the code. I think we ought to change the photo from the SpaceX one back to one of the George Floyd protests. The SpaceX photo was great for a while, but that news event has passed, whereas the protests are still very much current and escalating. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 02:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Seconded. by all accounts, this is a more notable news item than a SpaceX launch. Morgan695 (talk) 06:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose The rocket launch photo was historic, official and uncontroversial. But there are several problems with the new image:
  1. It contravenes WP:ITN which states "The picture should be for the uppermost blurb."
  2. It contravenes WP:NOTNEWS which forbids "Original reporting. Wikipedia should not offer first-hand news reports..."
  3. It is a high-res image of living people who may not like being pictured in this way at this scene
  4. The image contains copyright material – the Unleashed t-shirt is about Roman Reigns, it seems
Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
The above are good points, and I think the current image should we swapped out ASAP. Photo also contravenes WP:USERG as the information in the caption is user-generated without editorial oversight.130.233.2.170 (talk) 11:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
The Minneapolis riot pic. is more interesting visually, and the topic is more significant to more people. (Personal opinion of ex-newspaper person, FWIW.)Sca (talk) 12:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Put SpaceX back as everything Andrew has said is on point. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Theoretically, a picture of the aftermath of rioting would have been non-neutral when it first happened, but there are at least four big narratives now (the looting and violent riots, the peaceful demonstrations, the reactions of police and politicians to the demonstrations, and the pushback against all these things). Choosing just one narrative to highlight, a violent riot, isn't a good or neutral look for us, given where we are in the news cycle. - Dank (push to talk) 14:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Kind of seems like the current status quo (riot image in lead, SpaceX news item in first position) is the worst of both worlds, no? I'd suggest moving the protest item to the first new bullet, and using something like File:George Floyd protests, downtown Indianapolis, 2020-05-29.jpg as the image. And to my knowledge ITN has used used-generated images for news stories in the past, so to say that doing so contravenes WP:NOTNEWS feels like a misreading of policy at best and disingenuous at worst. At the very least, the protest news bullet should be in the lead position; the SpaceX launch was four days ago, and as User:Sdkb pointed out, the protests are both ongoing and intensifying. Morgan695 (talk) 15:12, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure I agree with some of Andrew D's points, but I agree with a couple, and I completely agree with Dank: we're choosing to emphasize one of several narratives, and I think the image should be swapped back out to our "regular" process of illustrating the top blurb. With more comments coming in after the switch, there's no consensus to override the regular process. It seems extraordinarily unlikely to me we'd ever reach a consensus on how to best illustrate the protest blurb. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I returned us to the previous consensus version. Please reverse me if a consensus arises as to what image to use --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 16:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I have yet to see any rationale for why the protests should not be the lead news bullet. Morgan695 (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
    • As Jimmy Kimmel said in his monologue last night (from memory), "When was the last time you saw a looter carrying a sign?" Looting and rioting are different from protesting. Part of the news cycle is discussion over whether some news outlets are intentionally trying to blur the difference and distort the stories, hoping to mislead the gullible. I don't have a position ... but I know I don't want our Main Page to be part of that story. Let's try to stay neutral. - Dank (push to talk) 17:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

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  • Thed 414 Tank Battalion is "expected to be fully operational in 2019." How did this make the front page?--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 15:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
    • It's not the bold link, so isn't subject to the same quality requirements. The bold linked article does state (with reference) that the unit was activated in 2019, so I'll just update the tense and add the citation. Modest Genius talk 16:17, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

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Remove the bottom margin for #mp-topbanner

The margin for #mp-topbanner should be reduced from 6px to 4px (none). This change will make the margin consistent with all the other margins between horizontal elements on the page. Since the 4px margin is provided by the element below the top banner, there is no need to specify the bottom margin. margin: 1.2em 0 6px; should be replaced with margin-top: 1.2em; at Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css as only the top margin needs to be specified. See Wikipedia:Main Page/sandbox to see the change.BrandonXLF (talk) 05:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Focusing on racial justice - a discussion on the Village Pump

Just a quick note, there's a current proposal at the Village Pump to focus the main page on issues around race. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)