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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
October 5 1 1
October 17 1 1
October 25 1
October 26 1 1
October 28 1 1
November 2 2
November 11 1 1
November 17 1
November 19 1
November 24 1
November 27 1
December 4 1
December 5 2
December 10 3 1
December 11 2
December 13 2 1
December 14 1
December 20 1
December 25 2
December 27 1
December 28 1
December 29 3 2
December 31 1
January 2 1 1
January 3 1
January 4 1 1
January 6 4 3
January 7 2 1
January 8 1
January 10 1 1
January 11 2 2
January 12 1 1
January 13 3 2
January 14 6 5
January 15 5 5
January 16 2 2
January 17 3 3
January 18 3 3
January 19 10 9
January 20 12 11
January 21 15 12
January 22 14 13
January 23 11 9
January 24 11 7
January 25 11 10
January 26 9 7
January 27 9 5
January 28 6 5
January 29 14 12
January 30 13 9
January 31 5 3
February 1 10 4
February 2 12 7
February 3 11 5
February 4 10 7
February 5 10 5
February 6 14 7
February 7 5 3
February 8 6 4
February 9 16 7
February 10 5 3
February 11 6 3
February 12 8
February 13 6
February 14 1
February 15 2
February 16 1 1
February 17 1
Total 332 207
Last updated 05:05, 17 February 2019 UTC
Current time is 05:08, 17 February 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
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To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 25[edit]

1994 Gambian coup d'état

5x expanded by Ira.morga3 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:32, 25 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Ira.morga3: The article was nominated the day 5x expansion happened, so it meets the date criterion. I wasn't able to find any close paraphrasing. This is the nominator's first nomination so a QPQ is not required. Although I suppose both hooks are potentially interesting, I have concerns with both: for the first, I'm not sure if bloodless coups are really unusual as I'm aware it's happened before in other places. The second hook might be too obtuse for people unfamiliar with political science: it would be advisable to add a link to Waves of democracy in the said hook. Otherwise, both are cited inline: ALT0 reference is verified, while I can't access ALT1's source so for now it is accepted AGF. The article is of an appropriate length, but I would suggest that the "The Paradox to the Third Wave of Democratization" section be rewritten in a more neutral tone. As for the "The Paradox to the Third Wave of Democratization" claim itself, I would suggest that some background be written about it (i.e. who formulated that term, and in what context) as the term is discussed rather abruptly. I would also suggest that the "Coup" and "Discontent in the Gambia" sections be switched (i.e. "Discontent in the Gambia" comes before "Coup", to give background). This will be good to go once these issues have been addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:45, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Note: copied from article talk page on 23 December 2018: @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you so much for your feedback! I agree with your observation that the second hook might be a bit too obtuse for the average reader with no political science background. Perhaps instead I could use the hook "... the Coup was met with almost no opposition, both internally and internationally?" instead? I also made a few of the corrections you suggested (except for the Third Wave Democratization section, which I have not yet started to correct but I plan to). Ira.morga3 (talk) 06:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Have the issues been fixed Ira.morga3? VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 07:59, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
  • A series of edits were made to the article by the nominator in early December. Narutolovehinata5, did these address any of the issues you raised? Where does the nomination stand now? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:54, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
I was aware of that, I was just waiting for the nominator to make a response here (which so far they have been unable to do). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:23, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
*@Narutolovehinata5: @BlueMoonset:Sorry for the delay in response, I have been home for the holidays and haven't checked my emails/notifications too often. And while I edited this page as a requirement for my course, I found myself loving this assignment and hope to continue editing for Wikipedia. But to answer the initial question, yes the changes were made and I made additional edits (to make the article flow a bit better and to make it seem like one coherent piece rather than a collection of facts). Ira.morga3 (talk) 07:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Just wanted to note that Ira.morga3 added comments on November 24 and December 23 to the Talk:1994 Gambian coup d'état page, where this nomination is transcluded, rather than here on this page. I have inserted them above, so that they are all in one place, where the DYK reviewers will see them. Ira.morga3, if you could reply here going forward instead of there, that would help. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:55, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the above. The article looks a lot better now, but there are still some typos here and there (including a case where there's a space before a period). This will be good to go once it gets a nice copyedit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:19, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I requested a copyedit for this article from the Guild of Copy Editors, which has been completed. There was a major problem with the final source, which I have removed; I'm unable to find it online, or any material from it. The final sentence should be properly sourced. The copy editor, Baffle gab1978, found (and fixed) some non-neutral text elsewhere in the article, but couldn't check that sentence against its sourcing. Narutolovehinata5, can you please revisit this review, and Ira.morga3, can you please find a new source for that final sentence (and address the "clarification needed" tag) and report back here (not on the article talk page) when you have done so? Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:33, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
The article looks much better now and I'm willing to give this the tick once the issues with the last sentence are resolved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Alt: ...that the 1994 Gambian coup d'état is considered the paradox to Third Wave Democratization? Within the article: Because the Gambia had changed from being a democracy to a more autocratic state in that period, it is often considered paradoxical to this trend by many scholars. (My emphases.) I'd guess that the capitalization in the former and the "often" in the latter are superfluous. Those minor points aside, are "paradox to" and "paradoxical to" common constructions? I don't say that they aren't, but they're quite alien to my English. (I don't recall having encountered either.) Unfortunately I know nothing about (the) Gambia, but I dimly infer that the coup was/is considered a/the exception to third wave democratization and to this trend. -- Hoary (talk) 12:49, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 2[edit]

Economic history of the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos

Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos
Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos
  • ... that the Philippine economy under Ferdinand Marcos faced its first major economic crisis because of heavy government borrowing in the lead-up to Marcos' 1969 re-election campaign? Marcos assumed the presidency only in 1965, when things started to spiral downward in the late 1960s as existing policies no longer encouraged rapid growth. The would-be dictator then pursued an aggressive, expensive run for a second term by foraying into the public treasury to boost his campaign, buy votes and threaten voters. The peso crashed in late 1969, and by the dawn of the following year it lost half its value, Conrado de Quiros wrote in "Dead Aim." ....The 1960s crisis, for economists Arsenio Balisacan and Hall Hill, "was triggered by one politician's particularly shameless efforts to maintain a grasp on the reins of the political machinery. - Diola, Camille. "Debt, deprivation and spoils of dictatorship
    • ALT1:... that the Philippine economy under Ferdinand Marcos saw GDP go from nearly 9% growth in 1976, to a recession where the economy contracted by 7.3% for two years, 1984 and 1985? Source:Gross domestic product (GDP) growth peaked right after Marcos’s declaration of Martial law in 1972, reaching nearly 9 percent in 1973 and 1976, partly driven by a commodity boom when the prices of major Philippine commodity exports like coconut and sugar went up. However, it was also under Marcos when the country hit the worst recession in history: a 7.3-percent contraction for 2 successive years in 1984 and 1985, as his grip on power waned. - Guido, Edson Joseph; de los Reyes, Che (2017), "The best of times? Data debunk Marcos's economic 'golden years'", ABSCBN News and Public Affairs
    • ALT2:... that the nosedive of the Philippine economy under Ferdinand Marcos in 1983 traces its roots to debt-driven growth, mostly during Marcos' second term, and during the earliest years of martial law? Source: "This strategy of borrowing heavily was “peculiar to the Marcos period” and carried great risk, De Dios said. It “produced historically impressive growth,” but also “created the conditions for the big collapse later,” he added....The turning point came when the US entered a recession in the third quarter of 1981 and increased interest rates, bloating the cost of Philippine borrowings. Debt servicing then became very difficult for Manila, as with other debt-dependent countries in Latin America. The economy began to decline in 1981, proving debt-driven growth was unsustainable. The country’s exports at the time failed to keep pace with the ballooning debt. - Guido, Edson Joseph; de los Reyes, Che (2017), "The best of times? Data debunk Marcos's economic 'golden years'", ABSCBN News and Public Affairs

Created by Alternativity (talk). Self-nominated at 08:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg - It appears the article was move to another name. Alternativity, can you please update the hooks to reflect the new title (if needed)? Thanks, Mifter (talk) 07:11, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I have adjusted the links and the DYK template with the new page name. Yoninah (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg It appears that this has stalled for more than a month and nominator has not returned. Opting for closure. VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 09:37, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Have just notified nominator on their talk page; as this hadn't been done previously, allowing a full seven days for a response. If we don't hear from Alternativity by then, the closure process can resume at that time. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:35, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Were Yoninah's changes to the link what was requested? (I thought they were, but I could do further changes if needed.) To be honest I have no idea what to do with the fact that the article was moved while under consideration for a DYK. The process is now a bit confusing to me. So I would totally love suggestions. - Alternativity (talk) 11:06, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh. I have just seen that the article seems to have been moved once more after the changes Yoninah made. Will rethink how to change the wording of the hooks. - Alternativity (talk) 11:09, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi everyone. Submitting proposed what revised hooks I can come up with:

I'm not as happy with them as the originals, but perhaps you have suggestions for how to improve them? Thanks. - Alternativity (talk) 11:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that new hooks have been proposed. I've taken the liberty of removing the date range as unnecessary, and changing "Economic history of the Philippines" to "Economy of the Philippines" because it's the economy, not its history, that is the subject of the three revised hooks.) BlueMoonset (talk) 17:04, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Acknowledged with thanks! I'll add that the sources for each hook are quoted in the relevant original version above. (I'll also add that I don't actually have a marked preference for any of the hooks - even Alt0. They were just the facts that seemed most hookworthy to me.) - Alternativity (talk) 04:41, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset, Vincent60030, and Yoninah: It's been almost two months since the last comments here, have your concerns been addressed? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:03, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, this has never had a full review, so what we really need is a reviewer to do so. The nominator has proposed new hooks, now they and the article as a whole need reviewing.
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review still needed. Thanks to anyone who takes this on! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:25, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Doing... starting a full review for this nomination. This might taken an hour or so, since it's a big article. Flibirigit (talk) 22:21, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ?
  • Interesting: Red XN - ?
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article created on November 2, and nominated within seven days. Length is more than adequate. Article is neutral in tone, and supplies adequate footnotes and citations for controversial statements. QPQ is not required. The last paragraph in the "Buildup of economic control" section needs a citation. The last paragraph in the "Deficit spending and foreign loans in Marcos’ first presidential term" section needs a citation at the end. The first paragraph in the "Export-oriented industrialization and labor policy" section needs a citation. Third paragraph in the "Economic nosedive and Marcos ouster (1981-1986)" section needs a citation at the end. Lastly, I advise against using the monument photo in this nomination unless the hook is about it somehow. There are a couple minor paraphrasing concerns as well. In the "1979 oil crisis" section, "when the US entered a recession in the third quarter of 1981" is too close to the source. In the "Economic nosedive and Marcos ouster (1981-1986)" section, "recession in the third quarter of 1981" is too close to the source. In the "Expansion of crony capitalism" section, "crony capitalism" needs to be in quotation marks. When multiple citations are used they should be numerical, such as [1][2][3]. Decades need to be more consistent, all should read 1970s instead of 70s. Will resume the review shortly for neutrality, and the hooks. ALT1 and ALT2 are too narrow to appeal to a broad audience due to business jargon. ALT0 is a bit more relatable, but I think we can do better. I'm going to list a few ideas of what I find interesting. Flibirigit (talk) 00:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Interesting things for hooks

  1. Before Marcos first became President in 1965, the Philippines was already the second largest economy in Asia
  2. However, many sectors of the Philippine economy were controlled by the traditional elite
  3. promise of “performance” as “Rice ,Roads, and Schoolbuildings,”
  4. Marcos declared martial law in September, 1972, and because he packaged it as a way of introducing stability in light of the social unrest
  5. “Although security threats, some real and some faked, provided the rationale for declaring martial law, the justification for maintaining it quickly became the promise of higher economic growth and greater equality.'
  6. Expansion of crony capitalism
  • These are general ideas I find interesting, looking at the article from a historian's point of view. Please explore some unique wordings for these ideas. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 01:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the input so far. I'll try and address them as soon as I can. (I've just got to get a few meetings out of the way, and will be able to do this over the weekend.) Cheers! - Alternativity (talk) 13:22, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Slow progress is better than no progress :) Flibirigit (talk) 15:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Pawsonia saxicola

  • ... that the larger feeding tentacles of the sea gherkin carry food to its mouth where two smaller ones assist them?
    • ALT1:... that the larger feeding tentacles of the sea gherkin carry food to its mouth where two smaller ones help push food in?
    • ALT2:... that the larger feeding tentacles of the sea gherkin carry food to its mouth where two smaller ones assist them, but in an uncoordinated manner?

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:37, 6 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough (less than seven days old), long enough (minimum of 1,500 characters excluding block quotes, headers, images and captions), hook is interesting enough, cited, and verified. It conforms to DYK policy, and the QPQ requirement is met. Arius1998 (talk) 02:49, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have re-opened this as the hook states virtually the opposite of what the article and source state, which is that the short and long tentacles operate independently of one another. Gatoclass (talk) 14:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I have rephrased the article and proposed ALT1 and ALT2. New reviewer needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:18, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 17[edit]

Geology of Hong Kong

Geological map of Hong Kong. Green is volcanic rocks, red is granitic rocks.
Geological map of Hong Kong. Green is volcanic rocks, red is granitic rocks.

5x expanded by HarrietHKUGeology (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 21:32, 19 November 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - No inline citation
  • Interesting: Green tickY

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg This article needs major work before it's ready for DYK. SounderBruce 05:34, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg I'm marking this for closure. This was completed as an assignment and the creator hasn't edited since November 22. The nominator has been editing, but they have not returned to this nomination. SL93 (talk) 22:47, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Graeme Bartlett: Are you still willing to continue this nomination? Courtesy ping to Jo-Jo Eumerus as they have an editing interest in volcanoes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:47, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
    Sorry, but right now I have little interest in Hong Kong volcanoes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:25, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
    • I will do some work today on this. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
      • All sections now have a reference and it is copyedited. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
        • There are still paragraphs in the Sedimentary rocks section that lack inline citations. The citation drop is also rather mediocre, as I don't think a single citation can cover each and every one of these paragraphs 100%. A spotcheck will be needed. SounderBruce 17:01, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
          • Graeme Bartlett, the third paragraph under Igneous rock is still not supported by a citation. Once that's taken care of, we can ask the reviewer to resume. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:05, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Graeme Bartlett: It's been a week now. Have you been able to address the concerns raised here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
    • I have added a couple of citations to these paragraphs. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @SounderBruce: Ping. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:54, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
    • First three paragraphs in the "Igneous rocks" section and first paragraph in the "Sedimentary rocks" section still have uncited sentences/paragraphs. The article is also in need of copyediting, since I can see lots of formatting/MOS issues from a quick look. SounderBruce 07:35, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
      • These paragraphs all now include references. (Some tails of paragraphs have no reference but are common explanatory knowledge) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graeme Bartlett (talkcontribs) 20:55, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Common explanatory knowledge either needs to be cited from resources relevant to the subject, or removed entirely in favor of letting the links explain for themselves. This has been way too drawn out, and the article really doesn't fit the freshness of DYK at this rate. SounderBruce 07:49, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
@Graeme Bartlett: Are you still willing to pursue this nomination? It's been over two weeks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:36, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 19[edit]

Cynthia García Coll

  • ... that Cynthia García Coll has shown immigrant children were more likely to graduate if they lived in states that granted TANF benefits to low-income immigrant families?

Source: [1]: "Using data from the 2002 Educational Longitudinal Study, a study of more than 16,000 U.S. school students, one of us, Alexandra Filindra, worked with Cynthia Garcia Coll and David Blanding to explore how these state-level welfare policies affected the children of immigrants. In states that granted TANF to low-income immigrants, graduation rates for children who had at least one foreign-born parent were 5.3 percentage points higher than those in states that excluded them."

Created by QuakerSquirrel (talk). Nominated by 28bytes (talk) at 22:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC).

  •  Working GMGtalk 13:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I started on this and then got super busy. It's Thanksgiving this weekend in the US. But if I can't get it wrapped up this weekend, I will by Monday at the latest. GMGtalk 22:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @GreenMeansGo: No worries! I appreciate the work you've done on it already. Enjoy your Thanksgiving! Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 23:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Incidentally, I've shot an email to the subject to see if she can publicly publish fairly mundane personal details in a way that we can cite on Wikipedia. Probably 80% chance she doesn't respond, but we'll see. GMGtalk 00:13, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Just jotting down my thoughts before the family gets awake and moving this morning. (Apologies for probably being more anal retentive than your average QPQ.) It looks like the link to the original study in the WaPo piece is broken. But as far as I can tell, this is the only paper these three authors have published together. I don't see where the 5.3 statistic is in the original piece (or a rounded "5.2..."). So that's a little odd.
My intuition is that "TANF" is probably overly specific for the hook. It's very Ameri-centric (and an acronym that most Americans themselves probably don't recognize). Besides, the study also seems to include fairly prominent attention to the effect of Medicaid access, and the implicit suggestion seems to be that these findings should be generalizable to other similar programs. I'm fond of the succinct wording of this passage: "The children of immigrants are more likely to succeed educationally when they live in states that include immigrants into their welfare net."
So maybe something like "...that research by Cynthia García Coll and colleagues have shown that immigrant children have more educational success when their families have access to the social safety net?"
That's riding the line of close paraphrasing a little bit maybe, but hopefully sticks close enough to bare information presentation that wouldn't be a problem. (There's only so many ways you can say that exact information accurately.) GMGtalk 14:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Your suggestion looks great to me. Unfortunately, I'm very new to all of this & don't know how to go in and change the hook. If you are able to change it, that would be great. Let me know if not. Thanks! QuakerSquirrel (talk) 16:49, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey, no worries QuakerSquirrel. Thanks for helping us build a better encyclopedia! I'll wrap this up over the next couple of days and just make sure we're ready for the main page. GMGtalk 17:08, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I'll just go ahead and give it the tick Symbol confirmed.svg for the alt hook since nobody has raised any objections. New enough, long enough, hook supported by news and journal source, copyvio is all titles she's held and titles of works. If there's any last minute polishing to be done on the article I'll knock it out while it's in the queue. GMGtalk 20:25, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks GreenMeansGo! I really appreciate all the work you've done improving the article. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 21:10, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Vincent60030. I'm open to different wording or a different interesting fact to highlight. What do you suggest? 28bytes (talk) 14:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @28bytes: Can't really suggest a hook but how about adding some comparison with american citizens and like from being backlogged to surpassing them or some sort? VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 15:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Just to be clear Vincent60030, are you referring to both the original hooks and the suggested tweak? GMGtalk 18:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Sup, GreenMeansGo. Well, since it's the second most widely-spoken language globally, so of undoubted general interest, and with the addition of poking the current administration in the eye, how bout
  • Which source are we taking that from? (It's been several weeks since I read through the sources.) GMGtalk 14:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • The problem is that the source is nowhere near that definitive about surpassing; the "often" has to do with the first-generation immigrant kids being behind the Americans at the start, but catch up or even surpass them before elementary school is over. The article currently makes a stronger claim than the source, as does the hook. This is a college newspaper, so there should be an element of caution having to do with the source. Is the report the story is based on available to check? BlueMoonset (talk) 14:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yeah, this is round about where I probably screwed up. I tried to make my suggested hook above be as accurate as possible, but it's difficult to be exceedingly accurate with social science related hooks and also be catchy and intuitive. GMGtalk 14:49, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • While I'm not sure if readers could find it hooky or not, another suggestion here could be about her writing an op-ed about the hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. If that won't work out, ALT1 does seem like a good option considering there's attribution and qualifying statements there, but of course, that would be dependent on if other sources agree on it (which right now appears not to be the case). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:46, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Striking ALT1 due to the issues I noted above; the sole source it depends on does not support it. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:15, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • To be clear, my suggested ALT above was "...that research by Cynthia García Coll and colleagues have shown that immigrant children have more educational success when their families have access to the social safety net?" GMGtalk 17:24, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
There's absolutely no point whatsoever in pinging people to half-written articles: if it contains material not covered by the source, then it needs to be removed from the article, Bluemoonset, not just struck through here. WP:V applies regardless of how desperate DYK is. 2A02:C7F:BE3E:4200:F9F3:3AD8:DCAF:4519 (talk) 19:31, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
2A02:C7F:BE3E:4200:F9F3:3AD8:DCAF:4519, I certainly had (and have) no intention of allowing this to be approved without the article being fixed, but also don't have the time (as you clearly do not) to research further and find the best and most accurate wording for what the source (and hopefully others) say about Coll's actual conclusions. Please remember WP:AGF. Reposting GreenMeansGo's alt hook below so it's not lost in the middle of a paragraph; perhaps they'll be willing to fix the article so it, at the least, accurately reflects the source in question. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 24[edit]

Eugène de Mirecourt

Eugène de Mirecourt
Eugène de Mirecourt

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 23:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is long enough, new enough, interesting hook and QPQ is done. However, there are some passages in the “Life” section that need citations: last sentence of 1st passage; entire 3rd passage; last sentence of 4th; 5th and 7th passages. —Al Ameer (talk) 04:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
I hope I did. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg Thanks Gerda. This nomination is good to go now. —Al Ameer (talk) 15:44, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Gerda Arendt: @Al Ameer son: with apologies Gerda, because you are the awesomest of awesome Wikipedians, but per the discussion at WP:ERRORS2 I'm going to have to pull this one from today's queue and bring it back here to the nom page. The criteria for DYK are clear that the hook facts must appear in the article, and they must be directly inline cited. If it's possible to bring the 100 biographies thing into the article along with the specific names like Berlioz, then great. Otherwise maybe there are other hooks that could be made? Happy to help if I can expedite this back to the queues once the issues are resolved, just give me a ping. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 22:08, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, when I commented out unreferenced things, I commented out too much. Brought the 100 and the two names back, with a cite for each, - please check. Kind of ironic that the article was created to not leave a red link on FA Berlioz ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Amakuru, I forgot the ping. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Ha, that makes a bit more sense now then. I did think it strange that the fact wasn't mentioned at all! So now it comes down to The Rambling Man's point that although the source names 100 volumes of the work, its not clear that there were 100 biographies. With the names listed in your Wikisource link, it does seem that the statement is true, but without the direct 3rd party citation we're not quite there yet I think... It's a tricky one.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:55, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
"Les Contemporains" translates to "The Contemporaries". Overdue for bed. Please go to the French Wikisource (bottom right) where you have all 100 names, and say how to quote that?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I'm not too sure to be honest. Maybe we can accept it under the good faith assumption that the page at Wikisource is true to the original source, which none of us have seen? It might be worth asking the question at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard to get an opinion on that. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 09:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

You can see the original for Sand and Berlioz, no? You can see the original for several - the first - entries. You can look for the others among the 699 entries in the German National Library. - The words Good Faith are rarely used, thanks for that ;) --
I'm getting confused. Did this get pulled from Prep 6? We had a long thread at WT:DYK. That which is on Wikisource, is first uploaded at Commons. So, c:File:Mirecourt - Gavarni.djvu is the original scan of all 102 pages of that book that exists on Wikisource. Just look at the drop-down arrow on the right-hand side of that Commons file. There's also c:Category:Eugène de Mirecourt other works and images. Other than that, I think what's being discussed above is out of my field of knowledge. And I don't read French. Hope this has helped in some way. — Maile (talk) 00:50, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth, SashiRolls, and Yoninah:, @Narutolovehinata5:, @Gerda Arendt:, @Amakuru:, @Al Ameer son:. I was just browsing through that book I linked above that is on Commons. Skip to about page 97. Again, I don't read French. But there seems to me to be pages of listing of names on Pages 97 through 101, which might be a list of the biographies he wrote. Does that help solve this mystery? — Maile (talk) 01:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
And another thing. Look at the bottom of the Miracort article where it says "Authority Control". Click on the VIAF link. There's an itemized list of his works at VIAF. It shows a lengthy list of bios he wrote. — Maile (talk) 01:32, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the searching, and it looks promising. However - and I also don't read French - if it's just a list of names, it doesn't confirm (at least for the sceptics) that the texts under the names are biographies. LouisAlain, does the book say they are. - The article about this man began because the article about Hector Berlioz said Mirecourt wrote the first biography about the composer ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Tell that The Rambling Man, not me ;) - That list still gives titles only, without saying that what he wrote were biographise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • It's been about two weeks since the last response here, has there been progress in the sourcing side of things? If we can't go with the 100 biographies thing, we could try something else here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:13, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
@LouisAlain and Gerda Arendt: Ping. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Did you see that LouisAlain was blocked and doesn't want to get into more trouble. The 100 biographies is THE THING he is known for, we have have some of them on Wikisource. So sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Until the sourcing issues have been addressed, then I'm afraid we can't go with it. @Maile66: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Either Gerda can request this be closed as rejected, or she can wait it out until someone else makes the request. Or there can be a request made at WT:DYK. If you can't move forward, there's no sense keeping it open. — Maile (talk) 02:01, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I've left a message on WT:DYK asking for some help. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
There is no sourcing issue. It is well sourced that he wrote 100 works in the series Les Comtemporains with well-sourced 100 individual titles, 100 names of people. The only question is if these can be called biographies. I see no problem, but others see one. While they are certainly not what one would expect in a modern book biography, they seem to be pretty much like wikipedia articles on people which we often call biography. So, sceptics, drop it, our use a different word in the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
The "others see one" whoever they may be, need to post their objections here, with specifics about what they object to. Gerda Arendt, Narutolovehinata5 the only comments on record, the only ones acceptable for this nomination, are either here or at WT;DYK. It doesn't matter what you may, or may not, be seeing somewhere else. Yoninah has already posted at WT:DYK that this is ready for promotion. So either get those others to post their objections here on this template, or let it be promoted, or just close it as rejected by the nominator. It is resolving nothing just to have "others" influence you, without their going on record here. This vagueness has been going on for 2 months. Either let it be promoted, or close it out. — Maile (talk) 12:10, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
You don't have to close it out, you can just replace "biographies" by "works/essays/profiles/you name it", or you can put "biographies" in quotation marks. I believe that biographies is best. It's a word with a broad meaning, and obviously what the author intended, see in George Sand: "Ne craignez pas de trouver en nous un de ces biographes indiscrets qui lèvent brutalement les voiles défendus."(machine translation: "Do not be afraid to find in us one of these indiscreet biographers who brutally lifts the defended veils.") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm new to this, but I was wondering why the Theoretical Discussions of Biography source from 2014 (FN7) is not sufficient for the 100 biographies fact. It mentions the publication of 100 issues of Les Contemporains, and later uses the phrase weekly short biography of a living contemporary. I read the latter phrase as referring back to Les Contemporains, which if an accurate assessment, and given the context of biography in the chapter and on page 27 here, would seem to indicate that 100 biographies were done. However, I find I'm very confused by the chronology given in the Wikipedia article. It is unclear what the relationship is between the Gallery of Contemporaries mentioned in the third paragraph in the Life section, which started publication in 1854 according to this paragraph (thought the source for that sentence, which is again FN7, does not mention anything by that name), and presumably also had 100 biographies, and Les Contemporains from the fourth paragraph, which is said here to have been a weekly that started in 1857, despite the fact that the hathitrust.org (FN8) has facsimiles of publications digitized from Harvard, which have the header Les Contemporains above the main title (the person being written about); note that I've only checked volumes 1 through 4, which Harvard bound together and is available in a single viewable file, and all four have the header and were published in 1854. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:21, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! - I looked at the French article, and found the same thing there, and no source for from 1857. I don't read French well. I'd understand the French Wikisource as 100 "Les Contemporains" between 1854 and 1857, perhaps also called Galeries? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
this is very similar to what the French article says. The galeries phrase also appears here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer for ALT1 please. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 27[edit]

Israeli occupation of the West bank

  • ... that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, along with the Gaza Strip, is the longest military occupation in modern times? Source: "The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is the longest military occupation in modern times"
    • ALT1:... that under the Israeli occupation of the West Bank Palestinian Arabs are governed under military law and Israeli Jews under civilian law? Source: "From the occupation's very beginning, the ethnicity of the individual determined both the legal system to which a person would be subjected as well as whether the letter of the law would be enforced at all. Whereas both the land and its Palestinian inhabitants have been subjected to military rule, the Jewish settlers who took over the expropriated land have been subjected to Israeli civilian law."

Converted from a redirect by Nishidani (talk), Nableezy (talk), and NSH001 (talk). Nominated by Nableezy (talk) at 01:47, 28 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg All the easy stuff is fine here: the article's newness, its length, the hook format, and QPQ. However, as documented on the talk page, good-faith disputes about the article's neutrality began almost immediately after its creation and have continued for almost two months, with the latest action occurring this week. That's not something a DYK reviewer can ignore or brush aside blithely. Sometimes, an article's issues can be addressed in response to a Symbol question.svg or Symbol possible vote.svg. Unfortunately, there's no basis to expect that here, and so I'm forced to reject it. This will no doubt disappoint the nominator and authors; it would certainly disappoint me, if I were in their shoes. If it's any help, I would suggest they reflect on what they would consider the appropriate response to a DYK nomination for an article titled (for example) Security threats to Israel originating in Palestinian territories whose neutrality they had spent seven weeks disputing on its talk page. I realize that this perspective limits the scope of what can appear in DYK; taken to an undue extreme, it would allow only entirely anodyne topics. DYK should—must—have room for uncomfortable, even controversial, topics. However, that must be balanced against the requirement that the Main Page only feature content for which there is a consensus that it meets Wikipedia policy. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, that consensus is absent for this article. Lagrange613 04:18, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
    • No, the article is impeccably neutral. Some editors on the talk page have tried to argue that it isn't, without success. The article has been remarkably stable since it was moved to mainspace, and that is what matters here. We go by reliable sources here – and the sources are of impeccable quality – not by what what your or my opinion might be of its neutrality. --NSH001 (talk) 08:27, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
    • Military occupations, by their nature, are always unpleasant for their victims (the people occupied). Not surprisingly, RS report that unpleasantness. Pleaase don't confuse "neutrality" with refusing to report that unpleasantness. Where else in Wikipedia do we fail to report the brutal nature of military occupation? --NSH001 (talk) 09:40, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
    • I agree with the reviewer the article is not neutral and can't be neutral in near feature for example Jewish connection to the area is completely omitted --Shrike (talk) 12:09, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Actually, the reviewer's remarks are themselves completely neutral, and refreshing to read. I say this as main writer of that article. What he states, quite objectively, is that the article's neutrality is disputed on the talk page, not that he agrees with its lack of neutrality, (or considers it neutral). As to the hypothetical Security threats to Israel originating in Palestinian territories, were I to have edited such a page (I would probably ask for a title change: Israel as a state suffers no security threat from the WB, but Israelis have in the past been subject, within their national boundaries, to very severe threats from West Bank terrorists in quite a number of devastating attacks), I would certainly list in detail my objections, edit to ensure that the presentation was well-sourced and objectively set out and, if it were then proposed to cite a fact from it, I imagine I would have no objection. One cannot object to facts, however uncomfortable. As the present article states, polls surveying the issue have concluded that most people are not familiar with the fact that the West Bank is occupied, and, I guess (since I prefer not to 'vote' or 'promote' this DYK) there are many who would prefer this objective datum to not be known more broadly. So be it. The important thing is that the fact is registered somewhere on a world-wide global encyclopedia, and that it is not lost in the evitable confusion of so much polemical-partisan spinning.Nishidani (talk) 13:09, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @Lagrange613:, editors are free to write Security threats to Israel if there are reliable sources supporting such an article. This article has such reliable sources, and the idea that a few people on the internet find what those sources report to be uncomfortable means that we should not have a a DYK makes little sense to me. I actually dont think there have been any good faith disputes about the neutrality of the article. There are a few people making wholly unsupported claims without any actual sourcing, users engaging in OR, users wishing away the existence of an eminently notable topic. But what we do not have is any actual evidence of a neutrality dispute. Shrike's comment above is an example of that. Jewish connection to the area is completely omitted? Uh, what in the actual fuck does that have to do with the military occupation of a territory by a foreign power? Your comment, that there is not consensus that this article meets Wikipedia policy, is likewise wholly unsupported. nableezy - 17:18, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, one might well disagree with Lagrange's assessment, but I think it rather clear that in referring to no 'consensus' he is stating a fact: several people expressed deep unhappiness with the article, albeit in terms so generic and vague that to me, at least, it amounted simply to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. But, it was reasonable enough for Lagrange to argue that the talk page indicates a lack of consensus (one that was inevitable). The gravamen of what you, NSH001 and indeed I are saying is that insisting that a NPOV consensus on a talk page is obligatory for a DYK (admittedly I have zero knowledge of such processes) opens up a difficulty, in that political dislike can effectively cancel out the publication of a fact no one, beginning with the government of Israel, denies. Nishidani (talk) 18:21, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
There were several well reasoned objections to the rather serious POV problems on the page. A number of editors who attempted to rectify POV, as well as misrepresentation of sources, have seen their edits blanket reverted. That said editors are not edit warring over the challenged material does not mean the article is in a reasonable state. Security threats to Israel (and Jews inside and outside of the West Bank) should be covered in the article - this being one of the main reasons for the continuing occupation - I migjt work on this.Icewhiz (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Those suggestions are patently untrue. The 'rectifications' were shown to reflect stark ignorance of the topic and were analysed and replied to in detail. There were no follow-up responses of any textual significance. Security threats to Israel - a disarmed population constituting an 'existential threat' to the most technologically sophisticated and powerful army in that part of the world- have nothing to do with the occupation, but as our reviewer has suggested an article along those lines, editors who have that concern should address it by creating such a page. I only hope the sourcing standard is on a par with the one adopted here, and that care is given to setting down, as here, the factual record, not hearsay, editorializing opinions, government spin and talking heads' chattering.Nishidani (talk) 21:51, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I was proposing "Security threats" as a thought experiment for the primary authors to help you understand why I couldn't approve the DYK. I was not "suggest[ing] an article along those lines," and I certainly was not suggesting that the different camps should retreat to their own articles where they can make the points that matter to them. WP:POVFORK rules that out specifically, and quite right, too. "If you don't like the tone of this article, go write your own" is entirely contrary to how Wikipedia is supposed to work. It is on editors to work with each other, assuming good faith even when they disagree with each other's arguments or perspectives, to produce an encyclopedia in which nobody owns articles and each article reflects a neutral point of view. An article on a contentious topic that is not produced in this spirit is unlikely to merit display on the Main Page. Lagrange613 03:42, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
And to be clear, the article is owned solely by the method adopted, which is designed according to the strongest sourcing criteria at WP:RS, something almost universally ignored in the I/P area. The 'camps' referred to split along that line: scouring for sources that reflect one's POV, or scouring sources that provide the essential facts of a conflict, something that can be seen at a glance by comparing the percentage of recentist newspaper sourcing to long-term retrospective analysis by competent specialists. (2014 Israel–Gaza conflict is 80% based on newspaper hearsay dismissed now as misleading. The article was a splendid example of assuming good faith sinking assuming the real facts must be established) Editors here generally do not 'work with each other', unfortunately, because the criteria for encyclopedic composition are contested: some think the fundamental guideline must be 'representing national POVs' with equal weight (irrespective of the weighting of sources). Israel said this, the PA said that, utterly tedious. The problem has always been to accord priority to the factual record, which is least disputed, rather than privilege the interpretative spin placed on that record by commentators official or otherwise. Since all those objecting to the article want two contradictory things (a) radical reduction of the length and (b) major expansion of the official Israeli position, a compromise couldn't be worked. I took out 7,000 bytes as a compromise and in response 7,000 bytes were added, uncompromisingly. Facts were to be eliminated, and replaced by a standard set of memes available in all official literature. If you do not want a factual article, my advice was, then write up an article with the official viewpoint's outlines given in detail, but don't try to displace factual content with ideological content. Lastly, a large number of articles on controversial topics have been written basically by one or two hands because the AGF and methodological issues made all attempts to find a reasonable compromise impossible if the article in question was to be written to GA or FA standard. To assert that all articles must be premised on collaborative compromises by parties to 'camps' before they are accorded NPOV sounds ideal: in practice, it is in my experience, impossible. It's exactly the same problem one gets at Yugambeh - a desire to set forth a collective representation of a POV, what is thought of by an in-group as the 'truth' vs the simple outline of the known facts as reported in reliable sources.Nishidani (talk) 08:06, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

User:Lagrange613 your position seems to be entirely unsupported by any policy or the DYK requirements. You are simply exercising the same systemic bias that the rest of Wikipedia displays. Things uncomfortable to largely white American and or Europeans are given less attention or are shoved aside in to some corner of Wikipedia. This topic is something that countless reliable sources focus on. But because some people find the facts those reliable sources uncomfortable that means the topic does not merit display on the Main Page. Well, fine, thats your choice I suppose, but it is just one more example of bias in action. You are very purposely reducing exposure of a topic and doing so based purely on facile claims of POV, always lacking in sources and not backed by any policy. Well, great, good for you. Hurray for Wikipedia, keeping the world safe from problematic topics and people. Guess we can establish a new DYK requirement, that the material be sufficiently Zionist enough to not draw objections based on no sources but only personal opinions. nableezy - 01:22, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

You've edited this page six times since you created it, which means you've had six opportunities to read the edit notice that comes up above the markup. That edit notice lists the nomination criteria, including that the article be within policy, and calls out WP:NPOV explicitly. So yes, I am following the DYK requirements here. Everything after your first sentence demonstrates a failure to assume good faith. In your view, no disagreement with you could possibly be based in the interests of the encyclopedia, but must instead flow from a political agenda or identity-based "discomfort." Given your failure to assume good faith, further engagement with you is unlikely to be productive. I invite closure of this nomination before the quality of the discussion degrades further. Lagrange613 03:17, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Im sorry, but no, you are not. You are allowing some of the most extreme pro-Israel/anti-Palestinian editors on Wikipedia, who have yet to actually document any NPOV issue with, hello, actual sources, to by virtue of claiming a NPOV issue to disqualify an article. There emphatically is not a NPOV issue in the article, if there were these editors would be able to substantiate their position with sources. They have not. But because the more extreme pro-Israel editors dislike this article it isnt NPOV? Where is that written down again? As far the incredibly silly In your view, no disagreement with you could possibly be based in the interests of the encyclopedia, no, not at all. My view is that if no sources are presented to demonstrate a NPOV issue then there is no NPOV issue. That actually is pretty much what NPOV says. You are very much making a decision based on political preferences. Yours or the people who have jumped up and down about supposed issues in probably the most well documented article in the entire topic area but cant bring sources that support their claims. Just nebulous, and factually wrong, horseshit like this being one of the main reasons for the continuing occupation. See any sources for such a position? Because there are a ton that refute it, that the motivation for the occupation is not "security threats" but land, water, and other resources. But no, some bullshit gets spouted off, no source is provided, but you decide that said bullshit claim disqualifies an article from DYK. nableezy - 06:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, well, most retired heads of the Israeli security apparatus have gone on record saying the occupation is a threat to Israel's security. That can be documented in a minute, so the point that it is bruited about this is the reason is easily balanced out. Nonetheless, this exercise was, from the outset, unlikely to receive the accolade of a DYK and it really doesn't matter.Nishidani (talk) 08:11, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reading the above, it seems that the article has been much improved since the original nomination, but that the discussion between the reviewer and the nominators has broken down. A new reviewer is needed. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:11, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Struck per request. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:54, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
No. There is no requirement that a nominator agree with a reviewer's Symbol delete vote.svg. The nominator does not get a veto. There is no basis to believe the NPOV concerns with this article can be resolved quickly enough for this nomination to pass in a timely manner, and so it fails. The article's talk page has now spilled over into the nomination, so I repeat my request for closure. Lagrange613 12:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
@Lagrange613: I have had no involvement in this article before today. I read this nomination page, and it struck me that your discussion with the nominators had become aggressive, hence my proposal for a new reviewer.
In your initial post you wrote "DYK should—must—have room for uncomfortable, even controversial, topics". I strongly agree. That takes hard work and investment in discussion from all sides. That appears to be happening at the article talk page. I suspect this DYK nomination is a helpful catalyst for that discussion. Let’s be patient, let the consensus building develop further, and reassess in a couple of weeks.
Onceinawhile (talk) 15:14, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
As you'll see below, I've agreed to your proposal. However, I'd like to push back against your position that my "discussion with the nominators had become aggressive" and hence a new reviewer was needed. A nominator's disagreement with a review is not a basis for a demand for a new review. Especially when the nominator's objection devolves into an evidence-free accusation of personal bias (as it has here), such a demand can appear to be an attempt to shop for a favorable review. I'm sure that wasn't your intent. However, I would be grateful if you would strike your request for a new reviewer as a gesture of good faith, unless you have a specific objection to my continuing the review, in which case I would like to hear it. Lagrange613 04:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Lagrange613: I have struck it as requested. I hope my proposal will have merit - thank you for agreeing to test it. Now we wait and see! Onceinawhile (talk) 07:54, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
I've tagged the article for POV, as a well-sourced section on Israeli security concerns (which are a major component of the occupation itself as well as negotiations for ending the occupation) was reverted out of the article. I'll note that this "revert happy" editing (it seems that additions by some editors are reverted on sight by other editors) are not conducive for this article to ever evolve from the POV WP:NOTESSAY it is currently.Icewhiz (talk) 09:14, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
I guess you wrote 'revert happy editing' re some editors with a tongue-in-cheek smile. The point made concerning systemic bias seems underlined by the wide interpretation of this article in the New York Times, whose coverage has been notoriously partisan, that even that august newspaper, with a change of editorial policy, seems finally ready to face the fact that publc discussion of the content reported in our article, but almost never marshaled in mainstream press coverage (except in Haaretz) is now possible.Nishidani (talk) 10:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
The NYT has (and does) runs a wide range a op-eds from non-staff (e.g. PA president Mahmoud Abbas in 2011) - running an opinion piece does not reflect editorial endorsement. I will note that in stating that our article diverges significantly from the NYT and mainstream press (except Haaretz) - you admit a rather severe POV issue in the article. Icewhiz (talk) 10:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Two-week stay
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Since my initial review, developments have only served to validate the concerns that led me to fail it. The POV concerns on the Talk page have multiplied, even spilling over into this page. The nominator has demonstrated an inability to process adverse events except as evidence of bias on others' part, boding ill for the prospect of an NPOV article emerging in the near future. Other primary contributors have expressed their desire for their interlocutors to go fork their own POVs rather than engage in trying to fix this one. Claims that this is a dispute only about reliable sources, with the primary contributors being the only ones who care about them, fly in the face of, for example, these edits. (And in any case, arguing that an article's sources are reliable does not suffice to prove the article is NPOV: reliable sources can be biased.)
However, I'm willing to entertain Onceinawhile's suggestion that this nomination itself could be a "catalyst" for developing the article into something that could gain consensus as NPOV. Therefore, I've struck my calls for closure, and, as proposed, I will reassess the NPOV question in two weeks' time. Editors have until then to edit the article and reach consensus that it reflects a neutral point of view. If that is achieved, and the article and nomination meet the rest of the DYK requirements, I will pass it at that time. Otherwise, I will fail it and expect the matter to be closed.
In my initial review, I gave an example of another, hypothetical article titled "Security threats to Israel originating in Palestinian territories". Since then, security for Israel has emerged as a subtopic of the NPOV discussion at the Talk page. If that is an important consideration for making the article NPOV, then please, by all means, address it. However, I want to restate that I was not putting the topic forward as something that I needed to see for the article to be NPOV, nor was I saying that it was or should be the only concern. It was intended as a thought experiment for the primary authors to understand my reasoning and, perhaps, put themselves in the shoes of the editors claiming the article is POV, nothing less and nothing more. The criterion for me is not that this one topic be addressed per se: the criterion is consensus that the entire article reflect a neutral point of view.
My comments about the necessity of collaboration go both (all) ways here: editors maintaining that the article is POV have an obligation to work collaboratively to improve it. If they were to spend the next two weeks stonewalling or running out the clock, I would interpret their POV claims as motivated by bad faith and weigh them accordingly when evaluating consensus.
Finally, everyone, please remember that the stakes here are much lower than they've been treated. DYK puts a link to an article on the Main Page for a few hours, generally prompting, at best, a few thousand extra views beyond what it would have gotten during that time. The outcome of this process does not "cancel out the publication" of the article and really has very little to do with its destiny. (Some content creators also think of DYK credits as chits, but if you really want them, there are much easier ways to get them than 250 kB at a time!) Lagrange613 04:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Nomination is on hold pending outcome of the AFD. Lagrange613 02:10, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
    The AFD will close on Tuesday, unless it's extended. Unfortunately, starting Tuesday, I will be unable to edit for a few days. I ask in advance for everyone's patience until I'm able to return. Lagrange613 03:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Note: AfD closed as keep, so when Lagrange613 returns, it will be ready for their decision. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 4[edit]

Sarlacc's Pit cave

  • ... that the largest striped karst cave ever found has been nicknamed Sarlacc's Pit? Source: "The cave is the largest known of its type, a variety of "striped karst," which is marble interspersed with other types of ancient ocean rock, she said." and "The entrance to the cave, nicknamed 'Sarlacc's Pit' by the helicopter crew who discovered it, is seen in an undated handout photo." (both sentences from CBC article)
    • ALT1:... that no one will know until 2020 whether the newly discovered Sarlacc's Pit cave is actually the largest cave in Canada? Source: "The exact depth and size of the cave has not been determined... future exploration of the cave is being considered in consultation with BC Parks, and that a team is likely to be fielded in 2020. (from Canadian Geographic article) and "A newly discovered cave in a remote valley in British Columbia might be the country's largest." (from CBC article)

Created by (talk).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg - Thanks for creating this nomination and your work on the article! Looking at it for DYK, there a number of things that have to be done in order for it to be ready to run on the main page. First, there are a few sections that are without any/adequate citations. Also, there are a few tags expressing concerns over the article's tone, general phrasing, among other things that need to be resolved. Please let us know if you have any questions or would like us to take a look at any changes. Thanks again, Mifter Public (talk) 02:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Mifter Public. Thank you for the note. I was surprised to see your comment about unreferenced sections since I had put a reference on each sentence. But then even more surprised to see the article! People have added a TON of stuff to it since I nominated it. I am overwhelmed and not sure what to do or where to start. Some questions for you:
  • The article name was changed, does that make it ineligible for DYK now?
  • Do all the additions now make it ineligible, or is there anything that can be done? I do not want to erase anyone else's work, obviously, and I think it's cool so much has been added. But I have no idea where the other people got their information from. What would you suggest?
  • I think I could fix the tone tag through copyediting. But how would I fix the tag about a contributor with a conflict of interest? Whoever that contributor is, it is not me, and I suppose that tag has to stay there as long as they have contributed content to the article.
  • Thanks very much for your advice. (talk) 17:09, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
    Here's what you need to do; comprehensively and heartlessly remove anything that can't be cited or smacks of POV. It's great that the original investigators are taking an interest, we welcome them here, but if the information has not yet been published in a reliable source then it doesn't belong on Wikipedia (see discussion on article talk page). You can remove the maintenance templates yourself when the issues have been fixed. The article will not get past a DYK review while they are still in place, or the issues have not been fixed. This is not a full review, there is little point doing that while the article has major problems.
    On the name change issue, that may need to be undone, although it probably doesn't affect DYK. Wikipedia article names should be the common name found in sources, regardless of any "official" name. In any case, as I understand it, the feature does not yet have an official name. You need to advise what your sources are calling it and then change the name accordingly (see Wikipedia:Requested moves). SpinningSpark 19:02, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 5[edit]

Chino Roque

Created by Arius1998 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:37, 5 December 2018 (UTC).

Never mind the fact that the tag is still on the page, so far Chino Roque only links to one other article -- as part of a dubious and unreferenced paragraph. Still doesn't cut it for me. You have to resolve it yourself, I'm afraid. Kingoflettuce (talk) 06:41, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

An additional comment: perhaps "if" would be better than "when", since it doesn't look like the flight is happening any time soon. Also, the hook fact must be explicitly present in the body, and not the lede alone. Kingoflettuce (talk) 03:42, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

  • @Kingoflettuce: the hook fact must be present and cited somewhere in the article. It does not have to appear both in the lead and the body. It could even be in a picture caption or footnote. Yoninah (talk) 19:35, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I have no problems with the proposed changes. Thank you for your review. Arius1998 (talk) 14:55, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg New enough at time of submission, long enough, no copyvio detected, hook(s) are interesting, but I prefer the original one, QPQ has been done -- good to go. Best, Kingoflettuce (talk) 06:56, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I promoted ALT0 to prep, but am returning it because the lead of the XCOR Lynx specifically states that the project has been halted. I wonder if Chino Roque even meets GNG now in light of WP:1E. Yoninah (talk) 19:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Like sheep to the slaughter

  • ... that a popular misconception holds that Jews went "like sheep to the slaughter" during the Holocaust? Source: Middleton-Kaplan 2014, p. 3.
    • ALT1:... that in Israel, Holocaust survivors were blamed for having gone "like sheep to the slaughter"? Source: Middleton-Kaplan 2014, p. 9.
    • ALT2:... that Jewish resistance leaders exhorted Jews not to go "like sheep to the slaughter" during the Holocaust, because "for three lines in history... it is even worth dying"? Source: Middleton-Kaplan 2014, p. 6–7.
    • ALT3:... that Abba Kovner exhorted Jews not to go "like sheep to the slaughter" during the Holocaust, to incite "a rebellion against the very use of that term"? Source: [2][3]
  • Reviewed: México en la Piel
  • Comment: The article's header image could be used, especially with ALT3.

Created by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 22:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts for ALT0 and ALT1 are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no policy issues. I prefer ALT0 and ALT1 to the other hooks. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:18, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • With heavy heart I have to express serious doubts about the viability of this article. Its very opening is way off base: "Like sheep to the slaughter" (Hebrew: כצאן לטבח‎) is a phrase which refers to the idea that Jews went passively to their deaths during the Holocaust. No, "Like sheep to the slaughter" us a very old -- biblical, even -- phrase used in all kinds of contexts long before it was, indeed, used in the context of the Holocaust. At the very least it needs to be renamed something like Myth of Jewish passivity during the Holocaust or (less POVish) Popular perceptions of Jewish [something something]; and possibly it should be merged with Jewish resistance in German-occupied Europe. But it certainly shouldn't be titled Like sheep to the slaughter, as if it's an article about that phrase in general. It also has a somewhat essay-like tone with a dollop of RIGHTGREATWRONGS. EEng 04:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
@EEng: The first sentence in the article, which you are objecting to, was changed to its current version after helpful comments from Srnec on the talk page. Srnec pointed out that the Hebrew (כצאן לטבח) does not appear in the Bible (the similar Biblical phrase sometimes translated as "like sheep to the slaughter" is more commonly translated with different English phrases, which could be used in an article discussing religious usage). As for your suggestion that it be renamed something like "Perceptions of Jewish passivity during the Holocaust", I considered that but ultimately I do not think it would be workable. Given the heated disagreements between scholars about what "Jewish resistance" was, it seems difficult to believe that there is some accepted definition of what "Jewish passivity" was. So what would be the inclusion criteria? As for this phrase, its application in the Holocaust context is notable and has been widely criticized; the article reflects the sources in noting that. If there are any changes that I could make in order to make the article less "essay-like", please let me know. buidhe (formerly Catrìona) 08:07, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm not trying to be difficult, but the article isn't about a phrase, it's about a group of related readings of historical events, and maybe another group of contrasting readings, and the title needs to reflect what it's really about, difficult as that may be. The current title, plus the lead's assertion of a "myth" (it's not a complete myth, rather the truth was a complex mixture), set the tone of an essay-like endeavor. There are historical mischaracterizations that modern scholarship squarely labels myth, but this isn't one of them. I'd just like to see at least a better article title before this goes to the main page. EEng 15:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Buidhe, EEng, where does this stand now? It's been three weeks since the last post, and as far as I can tell this appears to be at an impasse. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Repeating that I raised this issue with great regret, but my objections (especially as summarized in my earlier post just above here) stand. At least the article needs a more accurate title, but I suspect that the attempt to find that new title will reveal underlying problems with focus and tone. EEng 17:36, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 10[edit]

The Princess Saves Herself In This One

Created by Jisbell2 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:14, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - no
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg The article does not appear in the hook? Hook not adwquately cited. Also contradictory information (is it 2016 or 2017?) and some NPOV ("very heavy"). No QPQ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiantSnowman (talkcontribs) 19:29, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

GiantSnowman, this editor is editing through a college course and has no prior DYK experience. In cases like this we generally try to help them as they are not only new to DYK but also to Wikipedia generally. Also, as they are new (with no prior DYKs), there is no QPQ requirement. Best, Mifter Public (talk) 05:20, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Also, it looks like the user recieved some feedback from their course instructor/Wiki Ed about the nom. Mifter Public (talk) 06:15, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
@Mifter Public: good spot on QPQ, I've amended accordingly. GiantSnowman 08:21, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
I took the liberty to pipe, - not that I like that, but we need a link to the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT1: ...that in The Princess Saves Herself In This One, the female archetype of "the princess" is transformed in a "modern, feminist, empowered way" in a story of child abuse and survival? source
User:GiantSnowman, User:Gerda Arendt, Mifter Public, I'm working on this a bit to try and get it in shape for the front page. I've proposed an alternate hook and am making copyedits. Please bear with me; I obviously have a bit more work to do and appreciate y'all's comments here and whatever you can do in the article. GS, I will ping you again when I think the article is more ready than it is now. (I'll add that I didn't see the entirety of the article when the DYK nomination was made, and I would have held back on it, but it is what it is, and I'm sure we can make it work.) Thanks again, Dr Aaij (talk) 15:42, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Not a review but it might be quite fun just to just go with ALT2: ... that The Princess Saves Herself In This One?- Dumelow (talk) 19:36, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I honestly kind of like that one. It's short and eye catching. What say you, Dr Aaij? Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to check the two ALT hooks, and whether there has been sufficient copyediting or the article still needs more work to be suitable for the main page. There's been no response in over three weeks; at this point, given the age of the nomination, we need to move forward. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:45, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
One of your, perchance...? I don't think we'll be seeing them again; I assume they got their grade some weeks ago :) ——SerialNumber54129 18:29, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Just realised, this can be my QPQ :) ——SerialNumber54129 18:29, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Shalor (Wiki Ed), User:Serial Number 54129, BlueMoonset, sorry I'm late to this party--Dumelow's hook is fine with me. I'm about to have a look at the article. Yes, I know at the time it needed a lot of work--in fact, I didn't want the student to submit it for DYK... Dr Aaij (talk) 16:27, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
All sorted now, never mind. Agree re. Dumelow's hook—it's great! ——SerialNumber54129

Crisper drawer

Open crisper drawers
Open crisper drawers
  • ... that a crisper (example pictured) is a compartment inside a refrigerator used to store fresh produce?

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 17:59, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

  • It's fine--just squeaks by in terms of length (after removal of a trivial mention). Sources are fine, no plagiarism--but we're awaiting a QPQ. Chetsford, drop me a line when you got that taken care of. BTW, when was the first one placed in a refrigerator? I'm sure whatever was produced in 1835 wasn't in a machine like today's. Thanks, Dr Aaij (talk) 19:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Plus, I wonder if we shouldn't add "humidity" to the hook; if so many people don't know how it works, then maybe they don't know that either. I wouldn't be surprised if you got a million hits with that. Dr Aaij (talk) 19:09, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Drive-by comment: I know how it works (I have a Tupperware crisper), so I don't understand what's hooky here. X = Y is rarely hooky, BTW. Yoninah (talk) 22:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Because they're uncommon in most countries, or they're not actually called a "crisper" by most people: in the UK it doesn't have a name, but people do know that the bottom of a fridge is good for parsnips, so it could get quite a few hits with people not from the US going "oh, that's what it's called". This is one of the 'obvious' hooks that isn't obvious for many readers. Kingsif (talk) 02:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I apologize I haven't done the QPQ on this yet. I thought it might be good to take a photo of a crisper to include in the article so I just need to do that (but not my own because it's full). Chetsford (talk) 06:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
@Chetsford: I took a picture of mine for you. Yoninah (talk) 00:38, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Dr Aaij - I've done a QPQ now. Also, I've added a "(pictured)" to the hook thanks to the image nicely contributed by Yoninah. Chetsford (talk) 00:52, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I still don't like this hook; I think we have more possibilities here, more than just giving a definition. But OK: Symbol confirmed.svg Dr Aaij (talk) 18:30, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @Dr Aaij: if you don't think it's hooky, others won't either. Do you have a suggestion for improving it? Yoninah (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I edited the article. Here's another idea:
  • ALT1: ... that many refrigerator owners do not know what the crisper drawers (example pictured) are for?
  • ALT2:... that many refrigerator owners do not understand the purpose or operation of crisper drawers (example pictured)? Yoninah (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Yoninah! I prefer both of these to the original hook! Chetsford (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I prefer ALT1, so striking ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 00:27, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from queue per these comments at ERRORS. A new hook and/or adjustment to article wording is needed. Yoninah (talk) 13:59, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Okay, how about ...
ALT3 ... that a crisper (pictured) is intended for the storage of vegetables, and sometimes fruit, too?
Chetsford (talk) 06:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 11[edit]

Bierut Decree

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 05:46, 14 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and neutrality verified. No copyright violations detected and QPQ has been met. The source supports the hook, also it does not mention the decree as being commonly named the Bierut Decree, however, this source from the article does. The hook is interesting enough but could possibly be improved by somehow stating that Warsaw had almost completely been destroyed by the Nazis and the degree was actually a vital step in rebuilding the city. Not sure how you would get that all in the hook within the allowed 200 characters length. Turismond (talk) 02:02, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    • What about this alternative hook? Turismond (talk) 02:14, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    • ALT1:... that the 1945 Bierut Decree, nationalising all immovable property in the Polish capital of Warsaw, was a vital step in rebuilding the city after its destruction by the Nazis?
      • @Turismond: I am unsure if all sources would agree on this being 'vital'. Some, yes, but I have scanned a bunch of Polish sources and I am not sure if this would be an uncontroversial claim. So for neutrality reasons, I'd suggest rephrasing into ALT2 below (which also links to the interesting destruction of Warsaw article). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
      • ALT2:... that the 1945 the Bierut Decree, nationalising all immovable property in the Polish capital of Warsaw, facilitated rebuilding the city after its destruction by the Nazis?
        • Yes Piotrus, I wasn't quite sure about the word "vital" either and thought about using "important" instead. In any case, I think your Alt2 is quite good and fine with me, too. Turismond (talk) 05:35, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
        • "Oppose' - "facilitated", "important" etc., are judgement calls from the Communist point of view. E.g., Dresden was rebuild without this shtick. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
          • This is what the source says. I am not fond of the Polish communist regime, but WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not sufficient here, do you have sources that explicitly disagree with this POV? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:23, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
            That's not what the source cited say. Nor the decree itself. If I missed something, please give a quotation. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:27, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  • oppose the nomination I am surprized how such a venerable wikipedian as Piotrus has written such a sloppy text. It looks like the Piutrus did not read the decree itself. the descree specifically says that the decree nationalized only land, the immovable properties remained in old ownership unless specifically decided otherwise. There are many other blunders and omissions. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh puhlease, wikilawyering, from Piotrus?? I am interpreting into the article nothing and not suggesting you do the same. Just quote it. If secondary sources contradict original, find better sources. Sources make errors as well, you know. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:27, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
But it is not our job to call them errors. Particularly when it comes to translating old legal documents. Two academic book sources state as follows: "The Decree... nationalozed all immovable property within the limits of the city" and "The Decree... transferred ownership of all property within the prewar boundaries of Warsaw to the [municipality of Warsaw." Yes, the Polish source here [4] does seem to disagree, but TBH pl:Infor PL seems less reliable than academic books published by Oxford University Press. Now, I think the odds are decent that Polish source is more correct than English ones, BUT we need more reliable sources to make that point. And yes, I am sorry, reading the decree is OR because again our (mine...) understanding of it may be imperfect (maybe it was modified shortly and we are reading a wrong copy, etc.). That's why our policy is to use secondary/tetriary sources. Anyway, I invite you to present more reliable sources about this. I will edit the article to note that sources disagree, and I will propose an ALT3 hook that hopefully addresses them below. (@Turismond and Staszek Lem:). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:07, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
But it is not our job to call them errors - so our job is to spread misinformation, then? We are not calling them errors in the article. We just do not cite them. There is plenty of error in historical texts. Our job is to exercise editorial judgement. I may understand where sources come from. They just sloppily summarized what had happened. Although the decree did not nationalize the properties directly, the communists simply did not give permits for previous owners to rebuild. And the question of ownership of destroyed buildings was moot: rubble removed, new property built by the state. I've seen some sources about that. I will try to update the article when I have time ... next year :-) Staszek Lem (talk) 19:28, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT3: :... that the 1945 the Bierut Decree nationalized all land in the Polish capital of Warsaw after its destruction by the Nazis?
I understand that the nationalisation of property in Poland by the communists is a contentious issue but this is probably beyond this DYK nomination to discuss. Having absolutely no knowledge on the decree and being unable to understand Polish I can only go by the provided source which states that the decree nationalised all imovable property and that it alllowed for the rebuilding of the city. The comparison with Dresden, in my opinion, fails to account for the fact the Warsaw lost two thirds of its population during the war while Dresden lost only a quarter, something that would have made quite a difference in the rebuilding. I'm happy with the hook based on the provided source but, as an alternative, is it possible to have this looked at by another Polish-speaking editor who can read and understand the decree? Turismond (talk) 12:13, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
OK with this. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:28, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Looking for a Polish-speaking/reading editor to check the decree per the discussion above and render an opinion on this DYK nomination and the suitability of the hook. Thanks. Staszek Lem, are you still intending to make updates based on those sources you've seen? BlueMoonset (talk) 16:12, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I am very sorry, I did not expect that December DYK will dangle until February. I will try do do something quickly, but not much. I do have little time for wikipedia now, doing mostly rv and cleanup of whatever pops up in the watchlist. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
I did some writeup. Please tell me which parts of the decree you want to see in exact wording. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:46, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Turismond, I think Staszek Lem's query above is for you, since I was just posting per your request. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:30, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Nationalization in Poland

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 06:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC).

  • FYI, the main hook is also boring, as in "utterly unsurprising". Daniel Case (talk) 05:43, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Piotrus: One issue here is that the article itself feels incomplete. It states that nationalization in Poland has led to controversies, but doesn't actually go into detail as to what these were. This is a major red flag and by itself makes the article unsuitable for DYK in its current state. Perhaps once this is done we'll have more possible hook suggestions? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:54, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
    • While the````re is scope for expansion, I do believe the article meets DYK requirements. DYKs do not have to be comprehensive in all aspects. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:48, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
      • Yes the DYK rules do not require incomplete articles, merely that unfinished articles are discouraged (to be fair, the line between the two can be blurry). However, I am quoting from the supplementary guidelines: Articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic are also likely to be rejected. For example, an article about a book that fails to summarize the book's contents, but contains only a bio of the author and some critics' views, is likely to be rejected as insufficiently comprehensive. (emphasis mine). It does not need to be a blow-by-blow account on what these controversies are, but at the very least, a brief summary would be nice. If you will be unable to address this issue, and taking to account that neither proposed hook thus far is of interest to a broad audience and there doesn't seem to be anything else in the article that's "hooky", I am afraid I may have to mark this for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
        • Look, I've written 1000+ DYKs. I know very well what is sufficient for a DYK, and this article is. You find it boring? Tough. Someone else will pass it because it meets the DYK criteria, and there are no grounds for disqualifying it. To be clear: the 'controversies' section is a related topic but not the main topic. One day I may write a dedicated article about it (pl wiki has one already and I've added a link, plus a bit more content). As far as nationalization itself, even without the controversies section, this is an adequate summary and thus DYKable. So may I kindly ask you to stop making trouble invoking a weird 'I don't like it' interpretation that I've never heard from anyone in my ~10 years of DYKing? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:57, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Based on the above comments: i.e. the refusal of the nominator to expand on an incomplete article, coupled with two hooks that are now rejected, I am now marking this for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:19, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
    • I disagree with your closure. I ask for another review and I ask that you never review any of my DYKs since you use some strange interpretations. Please keep your disruptive activities away from my contributions. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
I fail to understand what is wrong with my request. I'm not trying to derail the nomination; on the contrary, when I mentioned the request for expansion, I was trying to help. It was you who brought up that the hook suggestions were potentially boring, and I was not even the first to mention that this is indeed the case, it was Daniel Case. Secondly, my main request was simply a request to expand the last section of the article, specifically the part which goes but some of its rulings have led to further controversies and several trials. That part ended very abruptly, with no mention of exactly what these controversies are. It didn't even need to be its own section, paragraph, or article: a single sentence could have done the job. I was simply requesting that additional information about these controversies be added to the article, and honestly I'm surprised at the reaction I've gotten in this nomination. I was hoping that perhaps if some more information could be added to the article, then new possible hook suggestions could be proposed, since the ones that have been formulated thus far aren't very good. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:37, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough, I might have overreacted a little, through I still think the article is meets DYK criteria. Some topics do not lend themselves to great hooks, and it is not like your or anyone else has proposed a better one. The reprivatisation section is a side of the main topic here, and I don't think the hook should focus on it since it is a separate and independently notable issue that is only partially related to the topic in question, i.e. nationalization in Poland. I have already added a few sentences to the article, including to that section. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:12, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I have been requested to offer a reading on this article, and in fairness I am Piotrus's friend. The argument that the material or introduction is "boring" is a silly one which should be rejected outright; Wikipedia is not YouTube or an entertainment site, and article introductions should provide succinct summaries or definitions; it is Taylor Swift songs that require "hooks," not a reference or encyclopedic tool. I do agree that this article could use more content and specifics. My advice, and it is only my advice, is that the article remain DYK provisionally for now with the understanding that it will be improved with expansion, and any decision on it be delayed until Piotrus or the community can revise. Keneckert (talk) 03:18, 8 January 2019 (UTC) Dr. Ken Eckert
@Keneckert: I think that when you headline a section on the Main Page "Did you know ..." the reader is set up to expect a surprising or interesting fact that would make them want to click the link. Articles themselves, I agree, do not require hooks; they are what they are and sometimes no amount of research will produce something that might elicit a raised eyebrow from a reader.
However, DYK is a different story, WP:DYKHOOK, part of the DYK rules section, explicitly asks nominators "When you write the hook, please make it 'hooky', that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article." It should be beyond argument that a hook stating that a lot of problems have resulted from reprivatizing previously nationalized assets is not likely to accomplish the latter; indeed, it would be noteworthy if those problems hadn't occurred. Piotrus clearly understands this in his nomination when he admits that 1A is boring. We also pretty much lampshaded this a while back ourselves with the hook "... that The Rolling Stones are a British rock band? Okay, you probably did ..." (But that one will only work once, and that was a rather extraordinary subject). Daniel Case (talk) 07:44, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I expanded the part regarding controversies, so that now IMO it makes sense in general. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:59, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
    Source: cited in the article near the word "fraud": Davies, Christian (2017-12-18). "'They stole the soul of the city': how Warsaw's reprivatisation is causing chaos". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077 Staszek Lem (talk) 18:32, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
    • ALT3: ... that, unlike in other Eastern Bloc countries, the nationalization in Poland covered only about a third of the agriculture?
      • Anders Aslund; Senior Fellow Anders Aslund; Aslund Anders (2002). Building Capitalism: The Transformation of the Former Soviet Bloc. Cambridge University Press. p. 25. ISBN 978-0-521-80525-4.
      • Hannes Siegrist; Dietmar Müller (1 November 2014). Property in East Central Europe: Notions, Institutions, and Practices of Landownership in the Twentieth Century. Berghahn Books. p. 40. ISBN 978-1-78238-462-5.
      Kpalion(talk) 13:49, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
    • Oppose Alt 3. I would say this is a questionable statement. It looks like the authors cited do not see the difference between nationalization and collectivization. In the Soviet Union sovkhozes were 45%. And 30% vs 45% is meaningless pissing contest. I quickly looked up and see that In DDR state-owned agriculture Volkseigenes Gut had far less share anyway. We can discus this in article talk page, but right now I see the statement as dubious. Staszek Lem (talk)

Articles created/expanded on December 13[edit]

S. Dharmambal

Created by Gfosankar (talk). Self-nominated at 14:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC).

General eligiblity:

  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Red XN - meets length criteria, but has not be evaluated for quality and might be a stub (more likely start)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Three issues:
  1. I would want to insert the word "is" before honored: "...that Indian activist S. Dharmambal is honoured as heroic Tamil mother for her contributions to Tamil language?"
  2. Although the statement itself is sufficiently-cited, the article does not make clear what her contributions to the Tamil language are. I infer from the article that what is meant by her "contributions to the language" is that she was a proponent of Tamil-language education. I think that both the article and the DYK nomination would be stronger if that is spelled out more clearly, perhaps in the lead paragraph of the article.
  3. Only the first initial is given. Do we know her name?
  • Summary: The hook itself is very interesting and I would strongly support the nomination if the connection between her work and its summary were a bit clearer.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Kenirwin/(talk) 20:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

  • Do we need to wait for quality assessment? I don't think so.
  • Other issues
  1. ALT 1:... that Indian activist S. Dharmambal is honoured as heroic Tamil mother for her contributions to Tamil language?
  2. clarified in the article.
  3. clarified in the article's Talk page.
Thank you for the review. Gfosankar (talk) 14:04, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to see whether issues have been addressed; it's been a month. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:43, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 14[edit]

Cinema of Venezuela

A frame from the film
A frame from the film
  • ... that the first Venezuelan film was an 1897 short (frame pictured) showing a dentist pulling teeth? Source: "we know thanks to documental research that the name of these first films were Un célebre especialista sacando muelas en el gran Hotel Europa" (The Beginnings of Cinema in Venezuela)
    • ALT1:... that the public response to the introduction of cinema to Venezuela was "cold" and "indifferent"? what could have been expected, the reception given to cinema could be said to have been cold and characterized by a kind of indifferent curiosity" (The Beginnings of Cinema in Venezuela)

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 02:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The full review will be to follow, but for now I believe the article might need some copyediting due to improper capitalizations in certain places (for example "first Cinematography Law"). In addition, several statements such as "Equally famous is the 1977 film El Pez que Fuma (Román Chalbaud).", "The 2013 horror film La Casa del Fin de los Tiempos became such a success that its director was hired in 2016 to shoot an American remake." lack citations. Of the two hooks, the first hook is probably the best option, but I'd rather it not go with the image since it's rather dark and doesn't actually depict the dentist pulling teeth (if an image of that could be found, then that might work better). I understand that some editors are not exactly fond of "first" hooks, so I will not object if ALT1 or another hook is promoted in its stead. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:20, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: The issues brought up in the above comment have been handled; not improper capitalisation, since its a proper noun (the name of the Cinematography Law wasn't very inventive), and citations have been added. Problem with the image is that it's the only surviving part of the film, as far as anyone knows. I don't mind which hook is used, or if there's others. If I can find the ref for it, perhaps say that the film industry in Venezuela routinely makes a loss? Kingsif (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Sure, that sounds like an interesting factoid. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:47, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that the Venezuelan film industry regularly makes a national loss, due to lack of interest and general financial mismanagement?
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article does appear to meet the 5x expansion requirement, which was met before nomination. For the most part the article is sourced; Spanish-language references are accepted in good faith. Of the hooks proposed, the original hook and ALT 2 are the only ones to be approved; the hook to be promoted will be left to the promoter. Both are cited inline, interesting, and verified. Earwigs has a relatively high score and detects some possible close paraphrasing with this source. In addition, the article still needs a full copyedit, as there are still typos and improperly-parsed symbols (for example: "we can point to specific"). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:24, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Thanks, I will take a look over sources and the funny symbols... next year Kingsif (talk) 17:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Narutolovehinata5: I've looked at the copyvio report, it shows that the overlap is mostly film names, with three quotations. It's rather unavoidable to not mention the same film names, unfortunately. I think I've removed all the funny symbols - looking at where they were, it'll be a funny accent key when I was editing that section. Kingsif (talk) 13:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Noted. I'd still recommend a full copy edit to make the article flow better. I'd also suggest either linking to Bolivares or giving an approximate exchange rate at the time of the publication of the source (obviously not the current exchange rate). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:27, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Obviously - I'll try give it a copyedit later today, and add more. Kingsif (talk) 13:43, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif: It's been a week now, have you been able to do your copyedit? I just took a look at the article and while the article looks better, there's still room for improvement wording-wise. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
    • I gave it some, but I was largely preoccupied trying to keep several other pages clean! I'm a bit exhausted at the moment, I'll try to get to it soon. Kingsif (talk) 15:01, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
      • Noted. As this nomination has been on for so long,@Kingsif: I'll give you two weeks to resolve all issues. If they are not resolved by then, this nomination will be marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 20[edit]

Gatwick Airport drone incident

  • ... that, in West Sussex, intentionally disrupting over 1,000 flights and delaying almost 150,000 passengers is not considered terrorism? Source: [5] - "Sussex Police said it was not terror-related but a "deliberate act" of disruption, using "industrial specification" drones." and [6] - "A Gatwick spokesman said around 1,000 aircraft have been cancelled or diverted,  affecting approximately 140,000 passengers, since Wednesday night."
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Comment: No QPQ needed - this is my second DYK

Created by GWA88 (talk). Nominated by DannyS712 (talk) at 11:22, 25 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date and length fine. I had initial concerns about the hook but am happy with how it is in the article. I do note there are some citation tags in the article @GWA88: which will need to be sorted before I can continue with the review. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:45, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Why should it be classed as terrorism? Quite obviously, it isn't. And, the whole thing is looking more and more like a hoax. Not a good item for DYK. (talk) 11:56, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@The C of E: I think I've fixed it --DannyS712 (talk) 22:16, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Continuing with the review as above. I am going to pass the hook but I do feel it may be better to say "was not" rather than "is not" @DannyS712: as it was what the incident was deemed as at the time, plus maybe include Gatwick in the hook. But these are minor issues and my review will still stand if they are added. QPQ not needed as per QPQcheck. No close paraphrasing. Good to go. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:20, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
@The C of E: --DannyS712 (talk) 23:46, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Alt2: ...that, at Gatwick Airport in West Sussex, intentionally disrupting over 1,000 flights and delaying almost 150,000 passengers was not considered terrorism?
Symbol confirmed.svg Yes, I'm fine with that. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:46, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
It's not considered cookery, either. Why not "that, a drone over-flight at Gatwick Airport in West Sussex, intentionally disrupted over 1,000 flights, delaying almost 150,000 passengers"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:33, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Do you have a reliable source for your claim that it is not "cookery"? --DannyS712 (talk) 20:16, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
In my opinion it's poorly-worded and invites a reader to think that it may be considered terrorism elsewhere and that there is something wrong with the people of West Sussex, along the lines of (the many Australian jokes to the effect that) "in Tasmania, it is considered acceptable to have sex with members of your family". I like Andy Mabbett's suggestion above, and edited it a bit for grammar. YSSYguy (talk) 02:53, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
@YSSYguy and Pigsonthewing: A few things. First, Pigsonthewing, I want to apologize for my comment above. I meant it as a joke, but I don't think that was easy to tell without the inflection of verbal communication, so I'm sorry. Second, on further thought, and based on YSSYguy's explanation, I agree that the current hooks may not be in the best of tastes, so I'd like to propose my own alternative below. --DannyS712 (talk) 02:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Alt4: ...that, at Gatwick Airport in West Sussex, reports of drones can lead to disruption to over 1,000 flights and delays for almost 150,000?
I suggest a small change to "reports of drones led to..."; other than that, I think it looks good. YSSYguy (talk) 03:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Do you have a reliable source for your claim that this is [still] the case? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:20, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: If we change it to "led", as YSSYguy suggests, then we don't need RS that it is still the case, but only that it was, which is evident in the article --DannyS712 (talk) 21:15, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg At the moment, neither the 1,000 number nor the 150,000 number has an inline source citation in the article as required per DYK rules nor do they appear in the body of the article; indeed, the 150,000 number is currently given varyingly as "about 140,000" in the lede and "140,000+" in the infobox. These will need to be addressed in the article; once they have been, then perhaps ALT5 below will suit:
@BlueMoonset: Sure, I have no problem with that --DannyS712 (talk) 06:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 25[edit]

Tanya Saracho

  • ALT7:... that, for Vida, Tanya Saracho assembled an all-Latinx, "heavily queer" writers' room and a directorial team who are all Latinx or women of color ...? (150) Source: "She wanted an all-Latinx writers room — so, she made it happen. She wanted the writers to be heavily queer — so, she made it happen (50% of the writers identify as LGBTQ+). She wanted every director on the show to be either a woman of color or Latinx — so, she made it happen." [7]
Struck hooks
  • ... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida co-founded Chicago's Teatro Luna, an all-Latina theatre ensemble? (120 characters) Source: "Tanya’s work has been seen at ... and Teatro Luna the Latina theatre company she founded and was artistic director of for ten years." [8] [9]
    • ALT1:... that Tanya Saracho and Raúl Castillo were childhood friends before she wrote his storylines in Looking ...? (108) Source: "Raul Castillo was my first high school boyfriend," Saracho said. "We went to high school and college together (at Boston University). He's like a sibling. I've known him 22 years and almost every male character that I write is a version of Raul." [10]
    • ALT2:... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida, and actor Raúl Castillo were childhood friends and all her male characters are adapted versions of him ...? (159) Source: "Raul Castillo was my first high school boyfriend," Saracho said. "We went to high school and college together (at Boston University). He's like a sibling. I've known him 22 years and almost every male character that I write is a version of Raul." [11]
    • ALT3:... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida, adapted Chekhov's The Cherry Orchard into El Nogalar, set in Northern Mexico ...? (133) Sources: "Set amid the explosive drug wars in present-day Northern Mexico, El Nogalar was a modern retelling of Anton Checkov’s The Cherry Orchard, a classic with a Spanglish spin." [12]; "Chekhov is what led me to write in the north of Mexico. Chekhov is not "South Texas" to me." [13]
    • ALT4:... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida, wrote a play inspired by transgender American Civil War soldier Albert Cashier ...? (135) Sources: "she is writing The Good Private, a piece about Albert Cashier — a U.S. Civil War soldier who was born in Ireland as Jennie Hodgers" [14]; "Saracho is currently working on ... a historical fiction piece about a transgendered Civil War soldier titled The Good Private for About Face Theatre." [15]
    • ALT5:... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida, focuses her work on providing representation for the Latina gaze and redressing stereotypes ...? (149) Source: ""You know how Jill Soloway is talking about the female gaze? I'm interested in the Latina gaze for the foreseeable future." [16]
    • ALT6:... that, in her first TV job, Vida showrunner Tanya Saracho was told directly that she was "the diversity writer" and didn't cost the showrunner anything to hire ...? (164) Source: "Within the "first hour" of being a TV writer, her office mate "turns to me and he goes, 'You know you're the diversity writer, right?'" Later, she says, her agent both confirmed it and made it worse by explaining that it means she's free; she doesn't cost the showrunner any money." [17]
    • ALT8:... that Tanya Saracho's work, including her Starz TV show Vida, is generally in Spanglish, with characters mixing English and Spanish ...? (136) Source: "AS: Let’s talk about the language on the show, especially the Mexican-American slang. .... // TS: That wasn’t hard, that was like me writing plays. My plays are how I speak Spanglish" [18]
    • ALT9:... that Tanya Saracho felt it important to include queer Latinx characters, played by queer Latinx actors, in her Starz TV show Vida ...? (135) Source: "And we didn’t explain — like, I didn’t say one of them is trans, one of them is genderqueer. They just exist, and that was really important, to have that and also to cast it with actual queer actors." [19]
    • ALT10:... that Sinaloa, Mexico-born writer Tanya Saracho only decided to naturalize to American citizenship because she wanted to be able to vote for Barack Obama's re-election in 2012 ...? (180) Source: "But the 2008 election convinced her the time has come. “I was like, Wait, I can’t vote for Obama. I want to be able to vote for him when he runs again.” " [20]
    • ALT11:... that Vida showrunner Tanya Saracho describes herself as a fangirl of fellow Starz show Outlander ...? (102) Source: "I’m obsessed with Outlander in that fangirl way." [21] [22]
    • ALT12:... that when her show Vida was greenlit, Starz sent Tanya Saracho a hamper of Outlander items because she is a big fan of the show ...? (133) Source: "When Vida got the green light, Starz sent me this picnic basket of Jamie Fraser red wine and all these Outlander things that I'll never open because it's like my sacred thing." [23]
    • ALT13:... that Vida showrunner Tanya Saracho finds Juana Inés de la Cruz to be an inspiration; de la Cruz is a 17th-century nun who Saracho considers to be an early queer feminist ...? (175) Source: "I am obsessed with Juana Inés de la Cruz. ... And she was a feminist. I think she was queer" [24] [25]
    • ALT14:... that Vida showrunner Tanya Saracho considers as an inspiration the 17th-century nun Juana Inés de la Cruz, who she considers an early queer feminist ...? (154) Source: "I am obsessed with Juana Inés de la Cruz. ... And she was a feminist. I think she was queer" [26] [27]
    • ALT15:... that Vida showrunner Tanya Saracho has spoken about suffering from anxiety and impostor syndrome ...? (102) Source: "I have crushing anxiety about my playwriting career ... #impostorsyndrome" [28]
    • ALT16:... that, while Vida showrunner Tanya Saracho grew up in the trans-border Reynosa–McAllen metropolitan area in Tamaulipas and Texas, she considers Chicago to be her home as an adult ...? (183) Sources: "Tanya Saracho grew up between Reynosa, Mexico and McAllen, Texas" [29] "Chicago is home. I chose her and she chose me. My heart is there." [30]
  • Reviewed: Darlene Lim
  • Comment: I'm not great at writing hooks, so I'd appreciate some help improving them if you think they all suck.

5x expanded by OwenBlacker (talk). Self-nominated at 22:12, 30 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg I am not going to consider any of the other hooks. I think you scared away potential reviewers by adding this many hooks. Article is new enough and long enough. Article and hook is sourced sourced. No neutrality or copyright problem detected. QPQ done. Good to go. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:10, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
    • @KAVEBEAR: Thank you so much; I can completely see what you mean about scaring away potential reviewers.
Having chatted with a friend, could I ask you please to consider ALT7 instead of the original hook? From the things Saracho has said about Latina gaze and the importance of queer representation, I think ALT7 is probably the best hook to emphasise that.
Sorry again for the surfeit of hooks; I don't feel that I'm all that great at determining what's actually the most interesting, so I was hoping that some friends would help me review those before a reviewer came along to approve the DYKnom. I've struck through most of the other alternates. — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 14:29, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I see 4 open hooks, not one. @KAVEBEAR: what exactly did you approve? BTW, ALT7 seems fine to me, although I don't understand what "Latinx" is. Does it have a link? Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Approving ALT7 or original hook. Creator prefers ALT7. I don’t have preference. Latinx is gender neutral term for Latina or Latino. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:15, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg OK, thanks. @OwenBlacker:, as I'm looking over the article before promotion, I notice that the lead is littered with cites for non-controversial information. (Why is there a cite after her name? If there needs to be one it should go with her full name in the first sentence under "Early life".) In the lead you say she founded Teatro Luno in 2001, and in the body text you say it was in 2000. I'd appreciate your moving the cites out of the lead and making sure the information in the body follows the sources before I proceed. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 00:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Done — and a good catch on the contradictory foundation dates; I've corrected the references to "June 2000", as mentioned on their own site and in a handful of other refs. Thank you! — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 19:07, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I tried to go through most of the article, though it was difficult as your sentences are overlong and packed with information through the use of em-dashes. This would really benefit from a copy-edit. I added a "citation needed" tag where you quote something and don't give the citation for it. My opinion on the hooks is that ALT7 is all right, but I would click on something much shorter and snappier using the term "the Latina gaze". Yoninah (talk) 21:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Fair enough. It's a little late here for me to give it a better look tonight, but I should be able to do so at the weekend, if not sooner. I'll ping you again here once I have done. Thanks again! — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:14, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I've done some copyediting and improved some references. I think I need to give it another pass of copyedits, though. I'm away this week, but I'll give it another once-over once I'm back and I'll think about the hook some more too — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 11:41, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Crowd control in Jammu and Kashmir

A J&K policeman holding a pellet gun during a violent clash
A J&K policeman holding a pellet gun during a violent clash

** ALT1:... that ...security forces in India also use slingshots for crowd control in Jammu and Kashmir? Source: The Central Reserve Police Force uses a variety of weapons, including pellet guns, tear gas, and slingshots that hurl stones when glass marbles aren’t available. National Geographic

    • ALT2:... that ...during crowd control in Jammu and Kashmir tear gas shells are used, but experienced protestors often throw the shells back or cover them with wet gunny sacks? (pictured:image 2) Source: "People have learned protective tricks like the use of wet cloth to counter it. Experienced rioters do not take it seriously. The shells are either smothered with a wet gunny bag or thrown back at the police," the report concludes" india Today
  • Comment: image is entirely optional, only text DYK or text+Image DYK can also be considered. ALT2 if approved would need a different image 2

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk), DBigXray (talk), and Kautilya3 (talk). Nominated by DBigXray (talk) at 18:30, 30 December 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Everything looks great. Can you pick a hook and image should I can approve it? All hooks should work, and both images do as well. DannyS712 (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

DannyS712 test, thanks a lot for your kind comment and review. we did a quick poll among ourselves, we feel that ALT0 is the best among the three along with pic 1, please proceed with ALT0. DBigXray 04:52, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Also notify User:DannyS712 DBigXray 05:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@DBigXray: thanks. The test sig was a mistake, the real reviewer is this account. I'll pass this now.
Thank you User:DannyS712. I made a minor correction in the caption above. regards. DBigXray 13:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@DBigXray: still Symbol confirmed.svg passes --DannyS712 (talk) 17:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Put this on hold, please. Unless I manage to read the entirety and (possibly) get over my initial feelings of slapping a POV tag. If you see no editorial efforts of mine within the next 48 hrs. at the article, feel free to proceed. WBGconverse 13:09, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @DannyS712:--This's is a blatant POV piece; manifested as an highly effective praise of the Indian machinery. The author has been careful in weeding out any source (of which there is an abundance) that criticizes the methods.
That I'm not involved with the article/ broader area in any editorial manner (and nether with the author in any manner), I don't see any reason to not perform a second-review.
This's a solid ☒N decline from me on grounds of Rule 4 (NPOV). WBGconverse 14:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi User:Winged Blades of Godric thanks for sharing your opinion on the article. The article authored by DiplomatTesterMan as it stands right now covers all aspect of the crowd control in J&K and covers the victims from both sides. This article has recently been created so it does "not" need to pass a GA criteria for being able to pass the DYK nomination stage. That said there is always some room for improvement everywhere, even in a GA/ FA article. So lets contribute collaboratively. If you can elaborate your specific problems with the article on the article talk page and your suggestions on how it can be addressed we all can see what more can be done to improve this article. regardsDBigXray 15:15, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric: I'll re-read the article. I'm sorry I didn't catch this when doing my review --DannyS712 (talk) 16:41, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
DannyS712 it would be very helpful for the article if after your review you can also share (here or on article talk) your suggestions to improve if you find any "major" issues. regards DBigXray 16:46, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712: The article mentions in the lead the number of protestors killed in 2018 - "51 rioters being killed during clashes and 37 rioters being killed during encounters". The article mentions how over 100 protestors were killed in police firing in 2010. The article mentions how "thousands of people in Jammu and Kashmir have suffered pellet wounds, hundreds have eye-injuries, and at least 14 people have died due to their pellet injuries." The article also talks about "One of the youngest pellet guns victims is a 19 month old child, Heeba Jan, who suffered injuries in 2018. Another young person to suffer from pellet injuries is Insha Malik (Insha Ahmed), who was left blind as a result of her injuries." The article also mentions pellet guns are criticised. The article also mentions how tear gas shells have killed people. It also says how curfews have been held for long periods... Winged Blades of Godric is inaccurate according to me in saying that this is NPOV. I would request someone else to go through it, or even better..... expand it so the NPOV is sorted and we can get over with this, rather than say that this is a highly effective praise of the Indian machinery which should be meaningless here... I also think Winged Blades of Godric is throwing his own highly effective propaganda around if they can't help improve the article despite clearly knowing its faults and saying they are uninvolved despite "trying" to touch it up.
@DannyS712: Even after this if you think it is NPOV should I create an entirely new section in the article called "Criticism" and stuff it with criticism of the methods of India dating all the way back to 1947, about the horrendousness of Indian crowd control methods and how severely inhumane and barbaric they are... that is according to the sources Winged Blades is probably talking about? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 06:06, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
p.s. Wikipedia:Sarcasm is really helpful... DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 06:42, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Without an explanation from WBG about what specifically they object to, and given that, having re-read this, I believe it to be NPOV, this review is still a Symbol confirmed.svg pass from me. --DannyS712 (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Symbol delete vote.svg The page itself is misleading by its name. There is no mention of neutral sources like local newspapers, UNHRC or any representative report of other countries. The page should be renamed as Kashmir Uprising and content included from those hundreds of neutral sources out there and can anyone explain how can be a 19 month old child as a rioter?  MehrajMir (talk) 16:43, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
@Mehrajmir13: in that case, I'm going to recuse myself from this DYK, and ask for another reviewer: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg --DannyS712 (talk) 16:55, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Mehrajmir13 I note that you are having an ongoing content dispute with me at [31] another article and you have followed me here. Per WP:BATTLE you should not really be using these DYK nominations as battle grounds to attack editors you are having content disputes with. The language used in your comment clearly shows that you are at an impasse.
  • There is nothing misleading about the article title, it has a specific scope and the article covers its scope quite well.
  • Your suggestion to rename this as "Kashmir Uprising" is entirely frivolous because that article on that topic already exists at 2016–17 Kashmir unrest.
  • After your comment I have included the UNCHR report from a local Kashmiri newspaper. I note that the article already includes criticism from notable organisations such as Amnesty International. DBigXray 22:40, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Mehrajmir13, that is unfortunately not a productive comment. You very well know that Crowd control in Kashmir and Kashmir uprising can never be the same article. If you would like an article on the latter, you are free to create one. As far as this article is concerned, if you are able to make any suggestions for improvements, either before or after DYK, I am sure DBigXray will take them on board and I will be happy to help to the extent I can. The current sources include the New York Times, Washington Post, BBC and Reuters. They are from "third countries" as far as I am aware. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:47, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I do not think that the renaming that is suggested in the link above will occur and I have commented the same on the talk page WP:BOLD. The other points raised related to the sources cited can be addressed accordingly, and do not have anything to with this DYK as far as I can tell now since Winged Blades doubts have also been addressed as far as I can tell since there in no reply from his side here above. I request this DYK to continue for now unless no one has any other page rename suggestions, and inclusion of sources which haven't been used, can carry on. Again I repeat, as far as the DYK issue is concerned, I think it can proceed as normal. Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:31, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • You don't have to be "WP:BOLD" to reply on talk page. Fact that you are completely misunderstanding the concerns and throwing a bunch of personal attacks as per your talk page comments,[32] it only means that that the issue has not resolved. A simple concern, that you are still not understanding, is that this is not a normal crowd but protesters, and this issue doesn't concerns entire Jammu and Kashmir but only Kashmir Valley. The problem is not just with the title but article itself.  MehrajMir (talk) 16:21, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Mehrajmir13 you are acting naive now. Crowd control is the standard phrase used internationally, if you arent aware of the standard terms then knowledge is just a quick google search away, ("crowd control"+"kashmir") which turns up a large number of reliable sources that are using this term.
  • DiplomatTesterMan (You do not have to respond to Mehrajmir) let's wait for a neutral DYK reviewer to come along and review this, as I already noted above, Mehrajmir13 has followed my contributions to reach this DYK and to continue his content dispute with me. The points he has raised are clearly frivolous WP:IDONTLIKEIT kind of stalling tactics. DBigXray 16:41, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I watched this DYK since it is concerns one of the area where I frequently contribute and I am a long term contributor to DYKs in general, having nearly 3 times more edits to DYK space than you.
  • You should refrain from any more personal attacks now. Your "standard terms" show nothing compared to what we see after searching "protestors"+"kashmir"+"pellet" on Google. Indeed, reliable sources like Amnesty, BBC[33][34], DNA India, The Hindu and many others make no mention of "crowd" but talk about "protestors".  MehrajMir (talk) 16:00, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Oh Congratulations to you, that you have 3 times more edits than me on DYK, unfortunately I am not interested in comparing dick sizes or DYK edit counts. You have already confessed above that you are going through my contribution, which is how you found that you have "three times more edits on DYK than me". I would advise you not to follow my contribution history anymore. On the next instance of your hounding I will seek admin actions to prevent this.
  • The comments by Mehrajmir13 (who seems to be here only to stall the DYK and get rid of the article) have already been replied to both here and on the talk page. WBG has also warned him against this behavior [35]. The consensus on the talk page is to continue with the current title and article, there is absolutely no consensus for any kind of merge or rename. DBigXray 11:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I note here, that I will wait for comments from a new DYK reviewer, so that this DYK page does not become another WP:BATTLEGROUND.DBigXray 11:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed, as noted above. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:53, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 27[edit]

XIX Army Corps

  • Reviewed: NA, this is my 3rd DYK
  • Comment: Hook drafted by Ted52

Created by Ted52 (talk). Nominated by DannyS712 (talk) at 18:08, 31 December 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - I'm probably just blind, but I don't see where the article explicitly supports the material in the DYK hook and cites a source supporting it
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg I find the article very interesting and comprehensive; I can tell the creator worked very hard on it and that is much appreciated! However, I'm afraid this will require work before it can be eligible. I'd suggest first making sure all material is supported by a reliable sources and then requesting a copy-edit. I haven't fully reviewed for neutrality yet but will soon. Best of wishes, SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 03:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ted52: can you take a look at this? I'm not any where to as knowledgeable about this page as you are... --DannyS712 (talk) 04:36, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712: All material can be supported by sources, but I was of the impression that citing the same page over and over again is just bad style. I could go through the work of citing every paragraph? Ted52 (talk) 14:29, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey Ted52. Since you're using an inline citation style, then the general rule is that there should be a cite for at least every paragraph, and if a paragraph has material from multiple citations you may sometimes want to distribute multiple refs within that paragraph. Using a cite multiple times it's not a problem; it's certainly better than having unsourced material. The following sections in particular need to be sourced better:
  • Wizna and Brest-Litovsk (6–16 September 1939)
  • The "German-Soviet Parade" and the Conclusion of the Campaign (17 September - 6 October 1939)
  • Preparations
  • Attack towards the Meuse (10–13 May 1940)
  • In the Somme Basin (17–20 May 1940)
  • Towards Dunkirk (21–29 May 1940)
  • Panzergruppe Guderian and southern Redeployment (28 May - 9 June 1940)
  • Southern Offensive (10–22 June 1940)
  • Panzergruppe 2
  • XIX Mountain Army Corps
It's an interesting read, and again, I can tell you worked hard on it. Let me know if you have any questions.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Template:Reply to:SkyGazer 512Very well, will do. Is there a way I can template one reference and use it for the next? Reentering the same book's info over and over again is cumbersome, but I also don't want to do the thing where it's like "p. 100 - 200", because that's silly. I would like to preferably use the same reference over and over again for like 60% of the passages you inquire about, but with a slightly different page notation each time. The reason why most of the paragraphs aren't cited is exactly that 'cumbersome' functionality of having to build the reference from scratch everytime. Ted52 (talk) 16:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
@Ted52: Well, I suppose you could convert to using {{sfn}} refs. Basically how that works is you have two reference sections; one of them has a list of sources and the other usually just contains {{reflist}}. For the list of sources section, you include |ref=harv at the end of each citation template. Then, whenever you want to use a reference in the article, use the coding {{sfn|Author's last name|Year the author wrote it|pp=Page number range (or p=single page number)}}, and make sure that in the list of sources section each ref has a last= parameter and either a year= or date= parameter. If you do everything correctly, when you click on a sfn ref used in the article, it will be abbreviated and take you to the ref section with the reflist; then if you click on the highlighted ref there, it will take you to that ref's entry in the list of full sources, which only need to be listed once. It sounds confusing, yes, but once you get used to it it's not as bad as it seems. The documentation page for the template gives a lot more details. I can give you some examples if you'd like and I could help you convert the refs for this one. It's often a good idea to use it when there are book citations which you use a large number of pages from. Another technique sometimes used is having sfn for some sources and the other "main" ref style for others, such as using sfn for only books.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 16:40, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
An example of a page using sfn for only the book refs is Chinese alligator (e.g., the abbreviated Reading & Miller 2000, p. 72. in the reflist which links to the full ref in the sources subsection: Reading, Richard P.; Miller, Brian (2000). Endangered Animals: A Reference Guide to Conflicting Issues (illustrated ed.). Greenwood Publishing Group. ISBN 978-0313308161. Retrieved December 9, 2018.). Molly Morgan is an example of a page which uses sfn for all references except one. If you have any further questions, please let me know; this can seem quite confusing. I highly recommend that you read the documentation page for the sfn template if you might want to use this style.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 16:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
(btw, Ted52, the correct coding for a ping is {{reply to|USERNAME HERE}}, not {{reply to:USERNAME HERE}} :-)--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 16:47, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Another way to repeat citations of the same source, specifying different pages, is to define a reference by name (e.g. SOURCE) and combine that with a page number template e.g.
    <ref name="SOURCE"/>{{rp|6-42}}
    Repeat as needed, just give relevant page numbers each time. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 02:34, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────G'day all, I just noticed this on the Milhist alert list. I thought I'd give you a heads-up that Guderian was the commanding general of this formation at the time, and we need to be careful about accepting what he says as gospel, given he is probably too close to the subject. It would be much better if this hook was cited to a reliable source that was independent of the subject. As a general observation, the article relies far too heavily on Guderian's writings, needs more independent reliable sources, and we need to be wary of the clean Wehrmacht trope associated with many Wehrmacht generals trying to whitewash their activities during the war. Also, the article should be at XIX Army Corps (Wehrmacht) IAW pre-emptive disambiguation arrangements for military formations per WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:08, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ted52: It's been a while since this nom has received any activity; would it be possible for you to cite the hook to a source that is independent of the subject and reliable, per Peacemaker67's suggestion? Thanks, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 04:19, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
@SkyGazer 512:@Peacemaker67: I think I have been quite careful in pointing out the rather obvious flaws with Guderian's writings in terms of the war crimes committed by the German units during the operation, and used them strictly for the purpose of the unit's military movement. Yes, there are authors I could cite - Piekalkiewicz, Mazouwer, Shirer, Frieser, Kershaw, Bishop and others have all at least tangentially written about XIX Army Corps, especially as it was so central to the operational success of the whole campaign. But - and this a big but -, they all go back to Guderian's writings as their source for any troop movements they describe. You'll reliably find his books in their bibliographies, and, if inline citations are used, they either reference him or often earlier authors that also referenced him. You're not going to find precise primary source information about what battle lines the units were to take on Guderian's orders or what crossroads they were to advance to or what towns were or weren't captured in a single day outside of Guderian, who got to use his personal notes for the information at hand. I tried desperately to staff up any information that could be double checked, but even good old Percy Schramm couldn't help me, as his war diaries don't start before August of 1940. So, if it's okay to just phantom cite Guderian through other authors, I guess I can try and do that, but that's hardly intellectually honest. Ted52 (talk) 08:36, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 28[edit]

Pentagramma mirificum

Sample configurations of pentagramma mirificum
Sample configurations of pentagramma mirificum

Created by MCiura (talk). Self-nominated at 08:43, 28 December 2018 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg Good work on the article! No WP:QPQ needed because this is MCiura's first DYK nomination. Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that the hook is sourced in the article. Cunard (talk) 10:18, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but there are no citations in the whole "Geometric properties" section or the first paragraph under "Gnomonic projection", per Rule D2. The hook is also vague rather than hooky. If this doesn't make an image slot, it won't be apparent what you're talking about. Even then, it's not clear what this is or who Gauss is. Yoninah (talk) 21:41, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 29[edit]

Børge Ring

Børge Ring in 1988
Børge Ring in 1988

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Source found in article: https://www.awn.com/news/academy-award-winning-animator-b-rge-ring-dies-97. Everything is fine, but can I suggest that you try to make a more interesting hook? the article points out that he was Knighted, so Sir could be used as his title, and that he was the first Dane to win an oscar, and that he had an award named after him. Just a thought. If you want to go with this hook, its okay, just let me know and I'll pass it. DannyS712 (talk) 20:37, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Joseph2302: are there any sources for him being the first to win an Oscar? I easily found that he won one, but couldn't find a source that said he was first... --DannyS712 (talk) 18:36, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
  • DannyS712 [36], the sentence "Han vandt som den første dansker nogensinde en Oscar i 1985 for den animerede kortfilm 'Anna og Bella'," which translates as "He was the first Dane winner of an Oscar in 1985 for the animated short film 'Anna and Bella'." Joseph2302 (talk) 18:48, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Then I'll AGF for your translation, and pass ALT1 Symbol confirmed.svg --DannyS712 (talk) 19:00, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: --DannyS712 (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Hook was pulled from the main page due to the incorrect claim that he was the first Dane to win the Academy Award (see discussion here), and not replaced. I'm reopening the nomination and listing the proposed replacement hook below as ALT2; reviewer needed to check the updated hook, discounting the source that had been wrong about him being the first Dane to win:
ALT2 is slightly inaccurate, since it was his film and not he himself who won the Oscar. Maybe it can be rephrased further? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 31[edit]

Death of Mohammad Habali

Created by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 17:28, 3 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Mhhossein This hook is not neutral, it's clearly pushing a POV. Please suggest another hook. And a QPQ is also required. (Another user can do full review but I'm just mentioning the clear issues) Joseph2302 (talk) 19:54, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
@Joseph2302:Thanks for reviewing the hook. But can you say what kind of POV do you mean? Are you saying there's the possibility that, despite the wide comments on the footage by Israeli and non-Israeli sources, the area had been violent when the shooting was done? --Mhhossein talk 13:38, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I will agree with User:Joseph2302's comment that this DYK is not neutral. The short 50 seconds video doesn't show if there was any violence before the video started rolling. Haaretz does not claim that the area was calm. YNET states that area "appears" to be calm. As I see IDF has called for an investigation. The DYK as it stands right now takes a strong position on the event, even though the investigations are ongoing. Wikipedia cannot be expected to take a stand on this while the investigations are ongoing. I would suggest you to propose few other neutral ALTs for this DYK to proceed, regards. DBigXray 01:01, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
The video is not 50 seconds, rather it's almost 41 minutes. Moreover, we're not here to analyze the videos rather we should adhere to what the reliable sources say. The contradictory claim by the IDF is mentioned by multiple RSs and the hook is just reflecting what the sources say. I don't think IDF claim can be priored over what multiple reliable sources say. That said, I've altered the hook and added "appeared". --Mhhossein talk 13:39, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1:... that unlike what the IDF said, the area appears calm in an obtained video of Mohammad Habali's death, when he was shot dead by an Israeli soldier?
  • @Mhhossein: If you are unable to suggest a new, neutral hook by the end of this week, and/or are unable to provide a QPQ, this nomination will be marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:44, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review requested: I've altered the hook and provided a QPQ. --Mhhossein talk 13:39, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Comment: I think many people will not know what IDF stands for, let alone what the IDF said. Readers will not know the importance or implications in the death. The wording infers that an entity is guilty, which is the POV issue. The subject is far too bland, and not hooky. I'm willing to do a full review, but new hooks are needed. Flibirigit (talk) 01:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Flibirigit: Thanks for the comment and for the review offer. You're welcomed to see if the nominations qualifies for the main page. As for the hook, I tried to abide by the reliable sources which say the area "appeared" to be calm, despite what the IDF said, when the shooting was done. Do you think there's anything I've missed? Do you have suggestions for hook? --Mhhossein talk 05:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I suggest looking at Death of Sammy Yatim, and see how that article elaborates on the community impact and reactions. The way people react to the death is what will make this event relatable to readers, and hook them into reading the article. I think the best way to move forward is to try expanding the article first. Flibirigit (talk) 06:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
You can see my previous creation which is far more similar to this one. Thanks for your suggestion and I made some edits, but, having searched through the net and having re-checked the already used sources, there were no more materials available in the sources regarding the "community impact and reactions". That said, I'm ready to add materials if you can show any in the sources. Also, you did not comment on why reflecting what multiple sources said could amount to POV? Thanks. --Mhhossein talk 13:45, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 3[edit]

Ian Eaves

  • ... that a dinner-party joke at the Metropolitan Museum of Art caused Ian Eaves to be labeled a prospective thief? Source: The joke is quoted in the New York Times coverage of a banquet at the Met: "'There's a number of things I'd like to make off with if I could be sure I would be undetected,' said a smiling Ian D.D. Eaves, curator of The Armories at Her Majesty's Tower of London." Gandert 1982 and Nathe 2015 treat this seriously (e.g., Gandert: "The idea that just about anybody is capable of theft is not farfetched. Take, for example, the statement of Ian D.D. Eaves..."). Eaves's comment was clearly a joke, as Katz 1983 points out (calling Gandert "a bit credulous").
  • ALT1: ... that Ian Eaves has catalogued the arms and armour of Queen Elizabeth II, and studied those of King Henry VIII?
  • ALT2: ... that Ian Eaves spent nearly two decades creating a catalogue of the arms and armour owned by Queen Elizabeth II?

5x expanded by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 07:44, 6 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I am concerned about the wording of the hook because of possible BLP implications. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Narutolovehinata5. What part concerns you? The hook makes it clear that Eaves was joking, and I think the article makes clear than it was ludicrous of Gandert to treat the comment — to a reporter, no less — seriously. —Usernameunique (talk) 03:38, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
The phrase "to be labeled a prospective thief" specifically. Even if intended as a joke, readers may think otherwise until they read the article, and let's face it, not all hook articles are actually read by readers. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:40, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, how about "mislabeled" then? --Usernameunique (talk) 04:08, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Still not really fond of that label. How about rewriting the hook to emphasize the non-seriousness of the matter? Like showing that it was a joke? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:49, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I'm a bit confused. His comment is already termed a "dinner-party joke" in the hook; does that not show that it was a joke? --Usernameunique (talk) 14:27, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I meant to say that it should be emphasized in the hook that the "labeling"/"mislabeling" was never intended to be serious. Plenty of serious disagreements and genuine accusations have been the results of jokes, so that not being the case here needs to be clear. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:18, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I had previously thought that your BLP concern was that the hook might treat Eaves unfairly. Your most recent comment, however, makes me think instead that you are concerned the hook may treat Gandert (the labeller/mislabeller) unfairly. Which is it? In either event, I'm happy to send you the sources if that would help—it's pretty clear that Eaves was joking, but Gandert wasn't. --Usernameunique (talk) 04:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
In any case, I'm not sure if we can go with the hook since the hook fact is mentioned only in a footnote and not the article body itself (the article text itself is fairly vague on the incident in question and only briefly discusses it). Maybe we could try a different hook here? He seems to have had quite an interesting career so there should be other things to choose from. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:32, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, if you can point me to somewhere in the DYK rules where it says that hook facts cannot partly rely on footnotes, I will happily move the information from the footnote to the main text. Otherwise, I don't think it's an issue. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 00:48, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Just asked on WT:DYK and they said it should be acceptable. With that said, I'm not exactly sure why the information is in a footnote in the first place rather than the article text. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:44, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. It's in a footnote because the subsequent treatment of Eaves's joke doesn't appear to have involved Eaves himself; because it's a discussion of how his words were taken out of context, not in context; and because spending a fourth of the "Career" section on a single comment would seem to be undue. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
  • For what it's worth, I find it hard to believe that anybody could be misled by this hook, or that it could become a serious BLP issue. However, I'm not seeing the claim that he was "labelled a thief", even jokingly. His comment was used to back up a claim that anybody could become a thief, but that is not the same thing as calling him a thief. SpinningSpark 19:52, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Spinningspark, the hook says Eaves was labelled a prospective thief, not a thief generally. This is supported by Nathe 2005, which states that "Book thieves can be overenthusiastic hobbyists, drug addicts, gamblers, politicians, priests, librarians, night custodians, building maintenance workers, PhD candidates, library benefactors, or historians. They may steal only once. They may have their method down pat, having long been in the business of living off of stolen goods. They do not have any specific 'look' but are often charming, knowledgeable, and friendly. Ian D. D. Eaves, Curator of the Armory at Her Majesty’s Tower in London and a gentleman, said with a pleasant smile while viewing the armor collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, 'There’s a number of things I’d like to make off with if I could be sure I would be undetected.'" This pretty clearly uses Eaves as an example of a (prospective) thief who comes across as a charming gentleman; in doing so, it replaces the NYT reference to Eaves "smiling" (i.e., joking) with a description of Eaves having "a pleasant smile," which carries with it a connotation of duplicity. Similarly, Gandert stated that "The idea that just about anybody is capable of theft is not farfetched. Take, for example, the statement of Ian D.D. Eaves, Curator of the Armory at Her Majesty's Tower, London, when he viewed the armor collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, 'There's a number of things I'd like to make off with if I could be sure I would be undetected,' the gentleman said with a smile." This is a pretty clear indication that Gandert considered it "not farfetched" that Eaves would steal if given the chance. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • In any case, would you be able to provide an alternate hook here that doesn't involve that incident? Just as a backup in case this "thief" thing doesn't work out. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:21, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I would be happy to do that Narutolovehinata5, if after a review it turns out that the hook will not work. As it stands, however, after a month of intermittent comments on this page, all that has been expressed is vague uneasiness with the hook. Moreover, your two reasons for uneasiness—BLP violation, and substantiated by information in a footnote—have been disagreed with by others. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 17:00, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
SpinningSpark raised an issue above regarding hook clarity, however. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Spinningspark is welcome to address my response above, but I believe it adequately addresses any concerns that were expressed. Meanwhile, it remains unclear why an entire month has passed without more substantive feedback than 'please suggest more hooks as a backup.' If you are not interested in reviewing the hook, I am happy to add the appropriate symbol to let someone else review this. --Usernameunique (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Please stop pinging me, I had read your response and it did not incline me to change my position. SpinningSpark 13:45, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
As long as there are objections to that hook fact, then we can't go with it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:31, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. The above discussion pertains solely to the choice of the hook, which I am happy to revisit, if needed, in the context of a full review. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 16:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

A nomination can't move forward without a good hook though, and when two reviewers agree that there is something wrong (even if may be for different reasons), then that is an argument that perhaps there is another way to move forward in this case. I'm willing to do a full review of the article, but the hook issue remains pressing at this point. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:30, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I think I've adequately responded to Spinningspark's point, which, it seems, is a comment about only one of the sources used to support the hook (Gandert 1982), not the other (Nathe 2005). I'm not sure what your remaining concern is, if any; your last comment wasn't about the hook, it was about the hook fact being supported by footnote. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:42, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
As mentioned above, his objection stood despite the explanation given. Personally I disagree with him and think that the sources given are enough, but again, unless he withdraws his objection, we can't go with the "thief" hook I'm afraid. I understand you really want that particular hook fact to be used, but I'd like to reiterate my suggestion of proposing alternatives; who knows, there might be something about him that's even more interesting than that particular fact. And to be frank, even if the hook might not necessarily be a BLP violation, some readers might interpret it as such (having living people labeled as "thieves" on the Main Page, even if as a joke or a misunderstanding, is probably not a good idea in the first place). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, seems like we have three different people in this discussion and about five different opinions. Regardless, a statement that "I had read your response and it did not incline me to change my position," without any reasoning as to why, is hardly a comment worth getting hung up on. Without more, there is certainly no reason for us to wait for it to be withdrawn in order to proceed. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:31, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Honestly I think the best option moving forward would be to propose another hook (while keeping the original one as an option), then let a new reviewer decide between the two. It could work as a compromise. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:42, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, sounds good to me. I've added two hooks above. Assuming they all work factually, let's punt the decision to the promoter; it's probably a good idea, as you suggest, to let fresh eyes make that decision. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 00:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. Requesting another reviewer take a look and decide what hook to promote. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, you’re welcome to ask for another reviewer if you would like. If you are still interested in doing the review yourself, however, one option would be to check (and hopefully approve) all three hooks, and then let whoever promotes a hook to prep to decide which of the three to use. —Usernameunique (talk) 00:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 7[edit]

Karl Lindau

Karl Lindau
Karl Lindau
  • ... that the Austrian actor and librettist Karl Lindau (pictured) toured the United States, and wrote a farce Der Nazi in 1895? Source: several

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough (created Jan 7, nominated Jan 14), long enough (>1500 characters), is suitably cited, and appears free from plagiarism, paraphrasing and non-neutral language. Assuming some good faith in translating from German Wikipedia since I can't properly vet the original German sources. Image is free and suitably licensed, QPQ done. The hook however needs a bit more consideration. It's not very interesting: an Austrian actor touring the United States is boring and not at all remarkable. A well written tease regarding an 1895 piece called "The Nazi" (we should use English) could be enticing, but I can't seem to actually verify it: the sources cited don't seem to mention "Der Nazi" with respect to Lindau, and I don't see the term "Nazi" in Lindau's WorldCat or DNB listing. (It would also be nice to explain what the name "Nazi" here refers to, as it predates the National Socialist party by some time: was it referring to "a colloquial and derogatory word for a backwards farmer or peasant"?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Animalparty (talkcontribs) 03:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for looking. At the time, German-language theatre was not common to tour the US, other than the big cities, - I'd say not even today. - [37] [38] [39] - Even if I knew what Nazi meant for him (probably you found out), I'd not say it in the hook, - readers should click to find out ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but the first part of the hook is not interesting to a broad audience, it requires the implicit foreknowledge that A: Lindau spoke German, B: German-language theatre was not common in the U.S. at the time. I think a hook's appeal should extend more broadly than German theatre historians. I've proposed an Alt1 hook, which is more broadly enticing, and shorter hooks are preferred.
ALT1: ... that the Austrian actor and librettist Karl Lindau (pictured) co-wrote The Nazi, a comedy, in 1895? --Animalparty! (talk) 22:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I got that ALT1 down here (from above my signature). Too tired to object, but I think co-writing one comedy is too small an aspect of an actor who excelled enough to be chosen for an international tour. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg requesting a review of Alt1. The point of DYK is not to encapsulate the most noteworthy fact of a subject, it is to draw in readers from diverse views (especially those who know nothing of the subject) with an interesting, surprising, or unusual fact. The article itself doesn't suggest that he was 'chosen', nor that his touring the U.S. was remarkable or unusual in itself, merely that it happened and was successful. If there is more context in the German sources, please expand the article. Creating a comedy called "The Nazi" is hooky. Traveling to another country is not. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the lecture. I am known for wanting to give some knowledge about a subject even to those who will not click, but as you wish. - I didn't even write this article, and several more urgent things are waiting than expanding it. Happy Valentine! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 8[edit]

Zuzana Marková (soprano)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Red XN - I don't think this hook is sufficiently interesting. It's not surprising that a notable opera singer has performed internationally, and roles such as Elvira and Lucia tend to be sung by similar types of sopranos.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg buidhe 08:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Of course the roles are sung by similar kinds of sopranos, but they define what kind she is, bel canto, not dramatic, + both roles are known for being difficult. We could mention specific places, but I have been told not to promote the same houses again and again. We could talk about her breasts as one review does, but I'm not into that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm afraid I agree with Buidhe here, we'll need a new hook here as the current one is not very interesting; I've thus struck it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:20, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the Czech soprano Zuzana Marková has appeared as Elvira in Bellini's last opera at the Opéra Royal de Wallonie?
That girl gets mad because her fiancee leaves her on their wedding day to rescue another woman. We can mention "alongside John Osborn" but then you'll say you don't know him, sigh. If you don't, I could improve his article and mention it in hers. - I'm on vacation ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
That doesn't change the fundamental problem here sadly, in that it's still a hook that goes "That Opera singer X appeared as Y in Z". The best option here will probably be to try a hook that doesn't involve her opera roles. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
I am not willing. Would you demand that we write a hook about Shakespeare without mentioning a play? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Not as much, but theoretically it would be possible to write hooks about Shakespeare that focus on things other than his plays (for example, his personal life). An opera singer performing for an opera is not exactly a spectacular hook fact, and by itself is rarely interesting to a broad audience (an equivalent hook for example would be something like "that television actor John Doe played the role of James Dale in Television Series?". It's just not hooky. If there are no other possible options, unfortunately this may have to be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:26, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Patiently trying again. I'd feel like cheating my audience if I'd mention some quirky little fact about Shakespeare, but failed to say that he wrote comedies and tragedies, naming one example of each. Please take a look at the collection of operatic hooks. Bellini was not mentioned even once!! I puritani is a decent article, and the theatre was just destubbed, so is new as well. If that is not what DYK is for, I don't know what is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
@Buidhe: Do you have any suggestions on how to move forward here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:01, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── @Narutolovehinata5 and Gerda Arendt: Unfortunately, no. Judging from her article, she is quite successful as an opera singer but hasn't done anything especially interesting or unusual. buidhe 17:59, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Not a DYK requirement to have done something unusual, + her personal interpretation of that role IS unusual. I saw it. LouisAlain, does the French review show that? (In Germany, the premiere was sung by Brenda Rae, so reviews are about her whom everybody should know. + the opera house and the opera should get known, - isn't that the purpose of DYK?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Gerda, I've found 3 articles in French about this singer. You'll read the rough translations on my Sandbox page. Hope it will help. LouisAlain (talk) 08:54, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much! We read in the last article (Lucia di Lammermoor, mentioned in the original hook): "From the outset, and throughout the show, a Lucia who never ceases to amaze by what the performer seems to have understood both of the role and herself. ..." which confirms what I think about her. How can we proceed? The full quote is too long for her article. Anybody in for a summary that she is not only vocally stupendous but plays the character with sensitivity and intensity? - In the first review, she was sick. The biography (no 2) is good and supports the article. Feel free to add, - I go outside for another vacation day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:05, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
  • In any case, it still seems that we need a new hook to be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
... or someone to look at those suggested with different eyes. Busy after a travel day, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
ALT4: ... that the Czech coloratura soprano Zuzana Marková studied not only voice and piano but also conducting, at the Prague Conservatory? I would guess that conducting is not a standard part of training? so this might be a possible hook. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:25, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
It's actualy not rare that singers study other instruments and conducting (a good preparation for getting older, and even a requirement at institutions, like instrumentalists have to study also a second instruments), so thanks, - but she's known for singing these parts, and in a way that critics say "ideal" or "a revelation", - just I'd like to stay factual. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Then perhaps some material needs to be added, to include that kind of comment, which can then be used in a DYK? Something could be made of comments on the Lucia mad scene here]. Another possible fact that's not currently in the article is that her opera debut occurred at 16 (click on the biography tab).
Good idea. I doubt that the "mad" link would qualify as reliable, though. Just returned from vacation, with a lot of open threads, unfortunately. Patience please. Debut as a teenager is not unusual. Look at Wilma Lipp. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
ALT5: ... that reviewers found the Czech soprano Zuzana Marková an ideal singer and actor of Massenet's Manon? - one said "Traumbesetzung", my translator says "dream cast", - we can use it if it's a term. My problem: We mentioned Manon already in an opera DYK, but never Puritani. I'd still prefer the first hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
ALT6: ... that Czech soprano Zuzana Marková's last-minute role as Lucia di Lammermoor at Opéra de Marseille in 2014 was described as dazzling and praised for the depth of understanding of her interpretation? (197 characters; new text and citation added to article; comments translated from Forum Opera article. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 03:50, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 13[edit]

Scythian Archers

Attic vase-painting of a Scythian Archer
Attic vase-painting of a Scythian Archer
  • ... that the so-called Scythian archers may have functioned as police force in ancient Athens? Source: "In late 5th and early 4th cent. BC Athens used a body of Scythian archers as public slaves (Demosioi) who were to keep order"[40])

Created by ZxxZxxZ (talk). Self-nominated at 16:50, 13 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi ZxxZxxZ, this article is currently too short for DYK - it needs more than 1500 characters of prose. I guess you may be working on expanding it? Happy to continue the review when you do so (sourcing etc. is looking good), just ping me to let me know - Dumelow (talk) 09:18, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
1749 chars now per DYKcheck. Johnbod (talk) 16:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg (edit conflict) Hi ZxxZxxZ: The article has now been expanded above 1500 characters; I 've checked it through and rewritten a few bits to improve the grammar; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; no copyright violation noted from (the few) accessible sources, happy to AGF on the remainder; hook is interesting and mentioned in article, not all sources are accessible but the Braund one backs up the hook; image is free and used in article; I note you have five DYK notices on your talk page so you will now need to provide a QPQ review of another hook before this one can be accepted (see item 5 of the DYK rules - Dumelow (talk) 16:23, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, does Template:Did you know nominations/Lulu Grace Graves count? It's not closed yet. --Z 17:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Hi ZxxZxxZ, that's fine as long as you intend to finish it! All good here - Dumelow (talk) 18:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @ZxxZxxZ: I came to promote this, but the approved hook doesn't make it clear that the group's existence is hypothetical; suggesting that either a new hook be proposed, or the current one be re-worded. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5, I thought that "so-called" and "may have" made this clear myself. Can't think of a punchier way to put it at the moment, happy to review any alternate hooks from the nominator - Dumelow (talk) 07:41, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi guys. There is no dispute in the existence of such group called the Scythian archers. The hypothetical aspects are their role and whether they were exactly Scythians and/or archers, which is reflected in the hook as Dumelow pointed out. Regards --Z 09:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 14[edit]

Instagram egg

Created/expanded by SamHolt6 (talk), Nixinova (talk), AceTankCommander (talk), StrayBolt (talk), and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () at 16:32, 16 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Doing a more thorough review, I see a few more issues:
  • The hook doesn't make it clear whether it's the most liked post on Instagram of all time or the most liked post online of all time. The article says both (the second would obviously be more significant). If you mean the second, then that's not directly cited in the article; the only citation following the claim taking the world record for the most liked online post is this which doesn't mention anything about the egg.
  • There's a citation needed tag in the history section
  • Anastasia Denisova, a researcher of internet memes at the University of Westminster, compares it to the campaign to get a British research vessel named Boaty McBoatface, which is not in a quote, is almost directly copied-and-pasted from https://www.wired.co.uk/article/instagram-egg-world-record.
  • Besides the AfD problem, the issues pointed out above are fairly minor. Overall, the article appears to be well-written and I absolutely love the hook. Face-smile.svg--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 00:31, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @SkyGazer 512: Aside of the fact you shouldn't have moved the nominations page because it has made a bit of a mess with the redirect, the AFD has been closed as no consensus so the review can proceed. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @The C of E: Hmm, from what I know the nomination page should be moved if the article is moved during the nomination, but if I'm wrong please let me know and I'd be happy to self-revert. But to me, it just doesn't seem to make sense to have the nomination under a different title than the article. What mess has been made with the redirect? I've fixed the transclusions on Template talk:Did you know and Talk:Instagram egg. And for user talk links and such, the redirect exists anyways so it's not like it's a dead link. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:28, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • But yeah, the AFD and move discussion have been closed now and the article has not been deleted or merged so this can continue. Before this is eligible for approval, the issues I pointed out will need to be resolved; also, On 18 January 2019, the account posted a second picture of an egg, almost identical to the first one apart from a small crack on the top left hand edge. As of 21 January 2019, the post accumulated 7.7 million likes. needs sourcing - it looks like that was added after my original review.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:37, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
The offending copy/paste lift of language has been rewritten.
I can't find a source for the 50.3 million hits. Since I didn't put that information in, can somebody tell us where it came from?
The present hook is not mine. My original hook (which got messed up with the formatting) was simpler. In any event, the draftor of this hook should comment. 7&6=thirteen () 18:01, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
FWIW, I put in ALT 1, which was the hook I originally proposed. It may not be as 'hooky' as the other, and I defer to our overlords. 7&6=thirteen () 18:06, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
I posted the new draft for the DYK. I thought it sounded better. AceTankCommander (talk) 20:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. It's a Wikipedia community effort and it's all Okay with me. 7&6=thirteen () 21:12, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Citation needed is taken care of. 7&6=thirteen () 21:52, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
@7&6=thirteen: Thanks. I also made ALT 2, which is slightly changed. AceTankCommander (talk) 00:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm good with any of the hooks. I leave it to the review and the promoter to make their choice. 7&6=thirteen () 02:58, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - This source, which was added to two previously uncited paragraphs, does not support a lot of the material there. Also, I don't think it's a good idea to have two paragraphs supported solely by Instagram. In addition, unless I'm missing something, neither of the sources in the second paragraph seems to support that the egg post became the most-liked post ever online.
  • Neutral: Red XN - I might be being too picky here, which if I am I apologize, but "The significance of the event and its massive republishing is itself controversial" doesn't seem to be explicitly mentioned in the quote and seems more of a vague interpretation.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - As above, unless I'm missing something, neither of the sources in the second paragraph seems to support that the egg post became the most-liked post ever online.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg I've finally done a full review. Thanks to everyone for addressing the issues that I pointed out, but as you can see, a few more issues remain before this is DYK ready. My hook preference is ALT2, but of course only if we can find a source for it. Face-smile.svg Best, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I believe I fixed the issues. AceTankCommander (talk) 21:29, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
I have re-reviewed the article now and it's closer but there are still a few minor problems:
  • I still don't see where any of the sources say that it's the most-liked post online; all of them just say it's the most liked post on Instagram.
  • Neither of the sources after the sentence It continues to post frequent updates in the form of Instagram Stories seem to support that material
  • Not sure where source 19 directly supports It is seen as a triumph of community over celebrity
  • Tapping a heart pictogram is easy, and eggs are lovable really seems out of place. Anyway we could incorporate this better, maybe give attribution to who said this to avoid the appearance of an unencyclopedic tone, or put this in quotes?
The article is definitely coming along. There are a few more suggestions I have, particular about sourcing, but they're quite minor and unlikely to be worth bringing up. After all, this is DYK, not FA. :P--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 23:15, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Let me start with point 3. I've added another source. One of these says: "The Instagrammer’s success is a rare victory for the unpaid viral campaign on social media. “There is a bit of an anti-celebrity revolt here – ‘look what we can do with a simple egg’”, says Anastasia Denisova, a researcher of internet memes at the University of Westminster, who compares it to the campaign to get a British research vessel named Boaty McBoatface." That should answer that question. 7&6=thirteen () 00:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
As to point 4, "As Vogue observed, tapping a heart pictogram is easy, and eggs are lovable." That should answer that question. 7&6=thirteen () 00:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Point 3 and point 4 look fine now, thank you.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 03:59, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
It looks like the Verge article supports the Instagram stories line. AceTankCommander (talk) 15:20, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
The main issue I had still exists: I can't find a source directly supporting that it became the most liked content in the world. I don't see how the quote provided from the Guardian ref supports that. Pinging AceTankCommander. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 04:22, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
As the nomination hook itself stated and cited" The Washington Post article says in its headline: "Congratulations to this egg on becoming Instagram’s most-liked post ever" "Ten days later, we can report that the egg has done it." Source: Congratulations to this egg on becoming Instagram’s most-liked post ever 7&6=thirteen () 12:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Welp, I'm not sure how I missed something so obvious, I'm sorry for not seeing that. In that case, ALT0 and ALT2 should be fine. I'm not sure about ALT1, as it's really not something that you can directly support with a source or add to the article (neither of these conditions are met currently).--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:26, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 20[edit]

Konya Tropical Butterfly Garden

Source: "Konya Tropical Butterfly Garden, which has the largest butterfly flight area in Europe, ...." [41]

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 13:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article was created within the last seven days, is over the required prose size and has no copyvio issues. The hook is interesting and has an inline citation to a reliable source. User has supplied a QPQ review to meet the requirement, good to go. Kosack (talk) 08:36, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from queue with hook and article issues. Here is the pertinent conversation at ERRORS:
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  • @CeeGee: @Kosack: there is an issue with the nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Konya Tropical Butterfly Garden, which is part of the DYK set due to go live at midnight today. The hook says it "has the largest butterfly flight area in Europe", but it isn't actually in Europe. It's in the Asian part of Turkey Smiley.png. Are you able to come up with an alternative hook that we could use? If not, I will replace it and reopen the nomination page. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:37, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • It is said "in Europe" because Turkey, as a country, is considered part of Europe. You can check it in all politicial, economic, sportive etc. issues. It doesn't matter that the site in question is located geographically in the Asian part of the country. CeeGee 15:30, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • It matters to this reader. There is a huge difference between "in Europe" and "in a European country". Or can things in French Guiana be considered for "largest/fastest/smallest/most expensive/etc in Europe"? This hook is blatantly false and should not appear. --Khajidha (talk) 16:41, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • What a logic! CeeGee 10:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree we should pull it. I am not up on the technical aspects of the DYK system, so I can't do it, but this is clearly a dispute, and until the dispute is resolved, we should either pull it or move it to a later posting, to get the wording correct. I too am uncomfortable describing a thing which is physically located on the Asian continent as being "the largest in Europe", and as such, I think we need a better hook. Unless we can fix it in the next few hours, we should move this back to the prep area, take another good hook to replace this one, and get this one right. --Jayron32 17:36, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
What Jayron said: both that it should be switched out and discussed some more without the time constraint, and that I'm not up on the intricacies of the DYK system. Pinging @Amakuru:, who has (from a review of the queue history) pulled DYK hooks recently and appears to know what they are doing. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Oh good grief. Didn't notice they were the ones who started this thread. I think there's enough agreement that Amakuru could make this change without being "involved". I would certainly do it myself if I knew how. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:14, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I've just gone ahead and removed the hook. Anyone who sees this and understands DYK, please reopen the discussion, and replace with a new hook. In case no one who understands DYK sees this, I'll also ping WT:DYK. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:57, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Floq. Apologies, I was out and about tonight so didn't see this message until just now.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:23, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • New hook needed. Yoninah (talk) 23:23, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 21[edit]

All India Azad Muslim Conference

Created by Anupam (talk). Self-nominated at 23:48, 30 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Anupam: Full review to follow, but I would suggest (as advice and not as requirement) that the article be reorganized; right now the lede is longer than any of the other sections (including the History section if you exclude the quote). Perhaps some of the content in the lede could be moved to the History section or be discussed in a new section? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:18, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Payún Matrú

  • ... that the Payún Matrú volcano was last active about 500 years ago and is also the source of the longest Quaternary lava flow on Earth?

5x expanded by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 13:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is long enough and was expanded five fold in less than 7 days (compare [42] with [43]). QPQ is provided and the text is well organized and well referenced and no copy-vio issues was seen. The hook is interesting, used in the article and informative but, I think, is not accurate. I suggest the following hook:
ALT1:...that the Payún Matrú volcano, last active about 450 years ago, is the source of the longest Quaternary lava flow on Earth?
By the way, you may consider proposing an image for it? How's the infobox image? --Mhhossein talk 13:09, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
@Mhhossein: According to the article and sources, the last eruption took place 515 ± 50 years ago. That means that it was "about 500 years ago", not 450 since that's at the edge of the uncertainty interval. As for photos, unfortunately there is no free and good image of the Pampas Onduladas flow. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, 450 was not a suitable choice, neither is 500. How about 'about 515'? --Mhhossein talk 18:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
That is too precise for my liking. Really, for the purposes of this about 500 would be enough. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm OK with that if there's a 3rd opinion endorsing the figure 500. --Mhhossein talk 06:52, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I think the 500 figure works as a compromise; we don't need to be precise with these kinds of timeframes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

campaign announcement

Michelle Bachmann U.S. presidential announcement
Michelle Bachmann U.S. presidential announcement

Created by Pharos (talk). Self-nominated at 17:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Some problems: 1) the article deals exclusively with US Presidential campaigns but does not say so in the lead. I don't think the term is used elsewhere in the world (it's not really relevant in many Westminster-style constitutions) so a re-title is probably best. 2) The one-line paras (one without a ref) should be merged. 3) In the ALT hook - "less" than who or what? I suppose less-likely contenders but this threw me somewhat.
Main hook checks out, though a stronger source would be nice. New, long, and neutral enough. Johnbod (talk) 21:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Not a review but a comment, but campaign announcements do exist in other countries with a presidential style of government. At the very least, they're a thing in the Philippines, though it's not exactly universal. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 22[edit]

Yanji No.1 Senior High School

Yanji No.1 Senior High School
Yanji No.1 Senior High School

Created by Theodore Xu (talk). Self-nominated at 02:29, 23 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Unfortunately a new hook might be needed here as the hook fact is not very interesting to those who do not have a background in Chinese history. Maybe there could be a mention of Manchuria somewhere here instead? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:55, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Nb. The nominator was never notified on their talk page of the concern above, so I added a notice there (diff). North America1000 11:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg I understand that the nominator was not properly notified about the review, and I sincerely apologize for that. However, he has not edited since the day of the nomination, and in any case has been unable to respond. Considering the issues with the hook and this situation, unless he returns or another editor decides to adopt this nomination, it is with regret that this nomination is now marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 23[edit]

Composite Nationalism and Islam

Created by Anupam (talk). Self-nominated at 23:58, 30 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm honestly not sure if the article subject meets the notability guidelines; I understand that the book is old and was published in 1938, but the sources in the article seem to be more about Maulana than the book itself (at least based on the quotations) Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:18, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
User:Narutolovehinata5, if you perform search for the book with its Urdu title متحدہ قومیت اور اسلام‬, there are a plethora of results, apart from the English ones in the article. As the article was only recently created, there is a lot of expansion that can be done. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 01:39, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd suggest beefing up the article more at this point. While the article itself is long enough for DYK, the article doesn't really seem to go into much detail about the book itself, but rather Maulana's life. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:42, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
I appreciate the advice User:Narutolovehinata5. I'll definitely expand the article when I get some time. Thanks again, AnupamTalk 01:46, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Isabel Chan

Created by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 15:34, 23 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The hook does not appear to be particularly notable. Why is this part interesting enough for a hook? It just seems like a sentence about an actress playing a role in a movie. Also, IMDb is not a reliable source, so something else should be used or a different hook altogether. The article itself also has extensive sourcing issues, as it uses IMDb several times. Aoba47 (talk) 21:22, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I have added two more citations for Yat Ning Chan playing in Love in a Puff. However if you don't like those citations either, I have ALT1: ... that Yat Ning Chan is part of a singing trio called MKB48? (Source: All Music: MKB48) Re IMDb: I have backed it up with a Chinese language website, but Hong Kong film companies list the films with their own, different titles, which would be confusing on its own. IMDb acts as a translator an identifier of Chinese and English equivalent film titles. Storye book (talk) 22:33, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The ALT seems better to me, but I will leave it up to other editors to look through. Aoba47 (talk) 22:55, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I have corrected my previous post to clarify my meaning. I hope it makes sense now. The Chinese film titles are often completely different from the titles used in the West for the same films. So Google Translate cannot help, where IMDb can. Storye book (talk) 09:50, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── From my past experience, IMDb is not considered a reliable source, though I will leave them up to another review. I approve the ALT hook and the source, but I think it would be best to get another set of eyes on this. Also, I am not sure why the formatting is messed up for this DYK, and apologies if this was my fault. I would greatly appreciate it if an editor could fix that. Thank you. Aoba47 (talk) 03:02, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Thank you, Aoba47 for reviewing this. Storye book (talk) 13:54, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Of course, and I am sorry that I could not be more help. I am just recommending that another editor takes a look at it and decides whether or not to approve it, because I feel it is best to get as many different perspectives as possible. Again, I would like to restate that I think the ALT hook seems ready to go to me, but I would ideally like a different editor to comment on it. Aoba47 (talk) 02:17, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
  • To be honest, the ALT is rather boring, in my opinion. An actress being in a singing group tends not to be interesting by itself. One possible option would be to add more information about said trio in the hook, to add context or flavor. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I kind of like ALT2 (my only concern is the word "Bitch", but Wikipedia is not censored), but I'd like to hear Aoba47's thoughts on it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:39, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I think ALT2 is better than ALT1. Personally, I do not see an issue with the word "Bitch" due to the context, and it may in fact stir up some interest in the article. However, I have concerns about the referencing in the article. All of the references appear to be bare links (i.e. just the title without any other information in the formatting). Also, I believe that IMDb is still considered an unreliable source, as it is user-generated information. I would maybe understand an IMDb source if it was an article or an interview, but it is not the case for any of the sources here. I also uncertain about the usability of HKMDB. If an article is going to appear on the main, I would assume that it should be in pretty good shape. While I think the hook is fine, I am wondering if the issues with the referencing in the article itself would pose an issue for having it on the main page? However, I will leave that up to you and any other editors on here. I hope this helps. Aoba47 (talk) 01:04, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • The word "bitch" is not being used pejoratively here, and the women are using it to describe themselves in an affectionate and rather humorous way. So I think it would be safe on the front page on this occasion. As for the formatting of the references - you may well be right, although I don't know. I don't speak Cantonese, and have had to use Google Translate to create the article. The reason for the short reference names is that I have been very careful to only use and reference what I feel I can be sure about. The problem with the actual sources is that (as far as I can tell) Isabel Chan has not been discussed in worthy western media. I have avoided blogs, and tried to use sources which look professional. I am not sure that the several websites which the Chinese call IMDb are actually user-generated, and I suspect that they've just re-used the title in their own way. If you like, I'll happily withdraw the nom? Then perhaps, in time, a Cantonese speaker may come along and put the references right. Storye book (talk) 18:10, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @Storye book: I will leave that matter up to the other editors. I understand your point about the sources, but the ones used in the article should still be formatted correctly if this is to be featured on the main page. I would like at good articles or featured articles for examples on how sources are formatted. Just putting the URL and the name of the article is not enough. I would recommend looking over this template (Template:Cite web), which is used to cite web sources. Hope this helps. Aoba47 (talk) 20:18, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Ah, now I see what you mean. Thank you. I shall try to do that tomorrow (Sat), or Sunday. Storye book (talk) 22:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Aoba47 (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 24[edit]

The Big Elk

  • ... that The Big Elk is the world's tallest moose statue? Source: Norway’s Storelgen stole Mac the Moose’s place as world’s tallest, The Guardian

Created by BrightOrion (talk). Nominated by Iselilja (talk) at 23:58, 30 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Full review to follow, but right now, I am not very fond of the "Structure and dimensions" section. For one thing, it reads like a trivia section, and secondly, two of the statements are unsourced. Perhaps the section could be rewritten in prose format and the unsource statements be properly sourced? Also, it might need an additional section since the "lede" right now is almost the entire article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:10, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
You're right this article wasn't fully prepared for the main page. It was created and largely written by someone else, and I rushed to nominate it to get it within the time rule of 7 days. I'll try to get it ready today. Iselilja (talk) 23:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for nominating this article. With regards to the weight of the sculpture, I emailed the artist Linda Bakke and she replied telling me the weight. I wasn't sure how to describe this source in the article.BrightOrion (talk) 05:10, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Thanks, the article looks a lot better, and now meets almost all the relevant DYK criteria. Although a QPQ was performed, it was not required as this is the nominator's first nomination. However, there doesn't seem to be any references in the article for the statue's dimensions and weight, and it wasn't in the Norwegian source I checked. Could you please address this so that this nomination can move forward? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:27, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
I removed the weight from the infobox as I couldn't find any reliable sources for it. As for lenght, the article says 11.5 m while reliable sources say 12 m. which is probably an approximation. As I think nominator has info from the artist, I let 11.5 stand in article/infobox, while adding a source in article that says 12 m. We can change it to 12 m. if you insist, but probably will make article less accurate. As for QPQ, article creator BrightOrion could have nominated it without QPQ, but since I nominated it, I don't think the QPQ exception applies. Iselilja (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Correspondence with the artist probably counts as original research so I don't think you'd be allowed to cite that unless the information was already reported elsewhere. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:12, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Coat of arms and flag of Transylvania

Arms of Transylvania
Arms of Transylvania
  • ... that Romanian activists viewed the charges on the Transylvanian arms (pictured) as discriminatory, but adopted its tinctures? Source: Several sources for the proposal to modify the arms to include Romanian symbols, and even more for the related issue of the arms being seen (wrongly, but commonly) as representing the other nations of Transylvania; for the adoption of tinctures, Sterca-Șuluțiu and Neagu are the more detailed sources.
"Wolf's teeth" on a 1645 map of Transylvania
"Wolf's teeth" on a 1645 map of Transylvania
    • ALT2:... that "wolf's teeth" (pictured) were once a feature of Transylvanian state symbols? Source: Cernovodeanu, pp. 129, 130–131; Tiron (2011), pp. 337–338
  • Reviewed: Presidential exemption for Jews
  • Comment: Please note that the image of the regular shield goes with ALT0 and ALT1; the wolf's teeth are for ALT2.

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 08:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC).

Just a comment: the (pictured) in ALT2 should not come after wolf's teeth, but after the bolded thing, and what makes these teeth a wolf's, vs. some other animal? - Not really my kind of topic, so I may not review unless I find only less my topic ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi Gerda. Technically, the image shows just the teeth, which were never used as a standalone symbol for Transylvania in heraldry, but were sometimes used as a dynastic badge, in composition with the more consecrated regional symbols; they were also used on flags, but those flags were most likely tied to the ruler than to the "nation" of Transylvania. Telling the reader that the shield used here was the actual state symbol would be inaccurate. Also: it's tradition that refers to them as "wolf's teeth", for reasons that I didn't really research, and would be extraneous here (they might have a purpose in the Báthory family article). If I can speculate, I think they're a(n) (mis)interpretation of the original shield, which had an abstract symbol of jagged triangles. In any case, by the late 16th century they were widely referred to as wolf's teeth and read as a symbol of Báthory competence in war -- see for instance the 1575 poem quoted in Felicia Roșu, Elective Monarchy in Transylvania and Poland-Lithuania, 1569-1587, 2017, p. 87. Dahn (talk) 06:40, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Also consider this for April's Fool or Halloween or such:
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed, now that hook discussion has concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:49, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Nazir Ahmad Wani

Nazir Wani's wife receiving Ashok Chakra from the President of India
Nazir Wani's wife receiving Ashok Chakra from the President of India
  • ...that first Ashoka Chakra (pictured) recipient from Kashmir Nazir Ahmad Wani was a militant before he surrendered and joined the Indian Army ? Source: "Lance Naik Nazir Ahmed Wani, ... was once an ikhwan (a terrorist who surrenders and becomes involved in counter-insurgency operations) before joining the Army...Wani was a terrorist initially and became a counter-insurgent after he realised the futility of violence. (Times of India) "Kashmir's first Ashok Chakra for Lance Naik Nazir Ahmad Wani" (The Hindu)

Created by Fitindia (talk), Sarvatra (talk) and DBigXray (talk). Nominated by DBigXray (talk) at 22:42, 26 January 2019 (UTC).

Swan Song (song)

Created by MaranoFan (talk). Self-nominated at 07:46, 26 January 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 25[edit]

Government Employee Fair Treatment Act

Created by Dominic (talk). Self-nominated at 01:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Drive-by comment: The hook is quite repetitive with "United States" and "federal government shutdown" repeated twice. Not everything needs to be linked, either. Yoninah (talk) 21:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg At 228 characters, the hook is too long for DYK, which has an absolute maximum of 200, and has been struck. Please provide a new, shorter hook, keeping in mind Yoninah's advice to avoid repetition and excessive linking. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:53, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 26[edit]

Miguel Pizarro

Pizarro in 2013
Pizarro in 2013
  • ... that Venezuelan politician Miguel Pizarro helped form the Venezuelan student movement along with people like Freddy Guevara, Juan Requesens and Juan Guaidó? Source: Spanish: "El nuevo líder de la oposición en Venezuela, Juan Guaidó[...] se vinculó al movimiento estudiantil de 2007 [con] Juan Requesens, Stalin González, Miguel Pizarro y Freddy Guevara"; English: "The new leader of Venezuela's opposition, Juan Guaidó[...] formed the 2007 student movement [with] Requesens, González, Pizarro, and Guevara" (El Espectador)
  • Reviewed: R. Hari Kumar
  • Comment: Alternative opposition leader for the main page!

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 21:43, 29 January 2019 (UTC).

Juan Carlos de la Cruz Reyna

  • ... that Juan Carlos de la Cruz Reyna tried to bribe an undercover agent to ensure he was released from prison to members of a drug cartel? Source: "... undercover agent regarding making bribery payments to facilitate a transfer of De La Cruz to a Texas facility as well as his release to elements of the Gulf Cartel instead of Mexican authorities. (FBI)
    • ALT1:... that Juan Carlos de la Cruz Reyna tried to bribe an undercover agent with nearly US$800,000 to allow his family to visit him in prison? Source: "De La Cruz Reyna and his crew made a deal with a U.S. undercover agent who was posing as a corrupt immigration officer hungry for a bribe ... These services had included providing travel document’s for De la Cruz Reyna’s family to visit him while hew as in prison. (Houston Chronicle); "A former Gulf Cartel plaza boss for Tampico said he tried to bribe a U.S. public official nearly $800,000 ..." (The Brownsville Herald)
    • ALT2:... that Juan Carlos de la Cruz Reyna worked for the Tamaulipas State Police and a Mexican drug cartel simultaneously? Source: "De acuerdo con la Procuraduría General de la República, durante el tiempo que de la Cruz Reyna se desempeñó como policía ministerial [de Tamaulipas] en los años noventas, también fungía como sicario [del antiguo líder del Cártel del Golfo], Eduardo Costilla Sánchez, 'El Coss'". / English: According to the Office of the Attorney General of the Republic, during the time that Cruz Reyna served as ministerial police [of Tamaulipas] in the 1990s, he also served as the hitman of [former Gulf Cartel leader] Eduardo Costilla Sánchez's, 'El Coss'. (El Norte; subscription required)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alberto Jorge
  • Comment: Note: De la Cruz Reyna wanted to bribe an undercover agent for multiple reasons: ensure he was delivered to members of the Gulf Cartel, to have his family visit him in prison, and to not notify Mexican authorities of his release to Mexico. All these are cited in the article.

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 02:35, 28 January 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 27[edit]

Luz Mely Reyes

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 19:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:56, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

2019 World Para Swimming Championships

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 08:49, 28 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article seems to meet the article requirements for DYK. Considering the sensitivity of the topic, the article presenting the matter factually and in a neutral manner is good. QPQ done. I am however concerned with the hook wording: it's factual and based on what the source says, but I feel the language might be a bit too strong. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Specifically the word "refused". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:41, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
But that's exactly what The BBC source used to describe it. I am still unsure as to how you think that is too strong @Narutolovehinata5:. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:44, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Under normal circumstances, I would have been fine with the "refused" wording. But this is linked to the Israel-Palestine conflict, and I'd rather be safe than sorry with that. The thought I had was to use "would not allow" instead of "refused", or something like that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I may not know much about that as a British Christian but I'm going by the fact that the BBC used it and the BBC does have a reputation for being fairly unbiased when it comes to reporting so I am not prepared to change it because I can't see how using "refused" would trigger anyone involved in the Israel-Palestine issue. I am willing to be convinced otherwise. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:38, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

V. K. Shunglu

Created by Jupitus Smart (talk). Self-nominated at 13:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I think a new hook is needed here as the hook is simply not interesting to a non-Indian audience. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:29, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
This is the only thing in the article that could be moulded into a hook. @Narutolovehinata5:, if you have any other suggestion for a hook, please do give, otherwise please go ahead and pass/decline the DYK as per your conviction. Jupitus Smart 15:14, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately there is nothing much I can suggest at this point. It appears he won some kind of award, but again the problem is the limited audience for that information. If something could be mentioned about his involvement in the IRI, then perhaps that could work, but if not, then I'm afraid closing might be the only way forward. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:33, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Toofan Singh

  • ... that over 400,000 people attended the funeral ceremony of Toofan Singh? Source: "over 400,000 people attended the funeral ceremony of Toofan Singh" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Comment: Was thinking of nominating it before the expiration of the timestamp.

Created by Harmanprtjhj (talk). Self-nominated at 21:31, 27 January 2019 (UTC).

Review not started

  • Article has a neutrality tag valereee (talk) 13:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Tag removed because it was not probably a valid one per discussion.[45] Harmanprtjhj (talk) 22:29, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • It looks valid to me, and should not have been removed by the article's author. I have reverted the removal. The neutrality discussion should take place on the article's talk page. (See Template:POV#When_to_remove.) There is a problem with the hook, in that it is an exact copy of the source's wording as given here. We can't copy without quoting. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  • What about Template:POV#When to use? Where is the discussion? Drive by tagging is not the way. Hook is not the copy of the source. You need to provide evidence of that. It cannot be quoted because it appears to be backed by multiple reliable sources. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 04:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Harmanprtjhj, I looked at the hook, and then the Source quoted right after it, and drew the natural conclusion that the Source was a quote, and the hook echoed the source. What I didn't realize was that you had mistakenly entered the hook in the Source section, and valereee simply copied it into proper hook format while leaving the Source listing intact, making it look like the hook was identical to the Source, which appeared to be a quote from your original entry. I'm sorry the confusion arose.
However, there still appear to be significant issues. With regard to the neutrality, the article includes such sentences as Singh was glorified as a martyr, and poets sang in praise of his bravery. This is a non-neutral sentence in Wikipedia's voice (and rather flowery at that, rather than encyclopedic in tone): there is no explanation of who glorified him nor what poetry or song arose and how extensive it might have been. Context is everything, and crucial here. With regard to the hook, since I don't read the language I put the two sources cited for his funeral through Google translate, and got the following:
  • From bhaskar.com: It is said that around four lakh people gathered in tribute to him during the funeral.
  • From aajtak.intoday.in: It is said that four lakh people attended the funeral of Jugraj.
These are very similar, but what struck me is that both sources use wording that translates as "It is said that": in short, they don't know themselves, and are going by numbers of unknown quality or neutrality that may be accurate or may be significantly off in either direction. The article, to reflect the sources, needs to include that qualification, as would the hook. (The "over" with regard to the 400,000 in the hook doesn't appear to be supported, but I'm leery of trusting Google translate to get that level of nuance correct.)
Finally, DYK rules require that none of the source citations be bare URLs. You will need to address that. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 28[edit]

Thomas D Mangelsen

  • ... that wildlife photographer Thomas D Mangelsen took a photograph of Grizzly 399 he dubbed "An Icon of Motherhood" that made her the most famous mother grizzly in the world? Source: His photographs, especially the one he dubbed, "An Icon of Motherhood" made her the most famous mother grizzly, maybe the most famous grizzly, in the world. [46]

Created by Dawnleelynn (talk). Self-nominated at 18:40, 31 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Due to a lack of time today, I will start with a preliminary review of Mangelsen's article. Right now it has several bulleted lists that work much better as prose; in addition, much of the article lacks footnotes. Finally, the wording is rather awkward in several sections; I would suggest that the article be given a copy-edit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I have been very sick for a couple days. I am just feeling better today. I can work on the article today. I can also do a QPQ. I wasn't actually expecting anyone to work on this nomination until I had completed a QPQ but that's ok. When I saw you had removed the other nomination, it made perfect sense to me. Regarding the citations, every paragraph is cited, as per teaching by my mentor. You can just cite at the end of the paragraph; every line does not need cited. So, if you can explain what else needs cited? I think the only thing I missed what the indented quote which I will fix. Anyway, I will take a shot addressing the points you made in the article, thanks. dawnleelynn(talk) 19:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC) These are the policies I follow for citations WP:CITEFOOT and MOS:LEADCITE which explain why the intro has none and why I cite at the end of paragraphs or lists. Unless, of course, the source changes mid-paragraph. Just FYI. dawnleelynn(talk) 20:25, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I did the QPQ. Still not feeling 100% but doing my best. dawnleelynn(talk) 04:45, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Dawnleelynn, I hope you're feeling much better now. Thanks for doing the QPQ. Since this is a two-article nomination, you will need to provide a second QPQ—the requirement is for one QPQ to be supplied per nominated article. Narutolovehinata5, do you mean to continue the review, or should I try to find someone else? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:05, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Just a note that I wasn't able to bring up due to a lack of time: the nominator doesn't appear to have any DYK credits so far, so technically a QPQ wasn't even required. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:07, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I have no idea what you're looking at, but DYKUpdateBot left six DYK credits on the nominator's talk page in 2018 alone, and there are more from 2017. QPQs are definitely required for this nominator, and one more will be needed for this nomination; I'm sure Dawnleelynn will submit another in due course now that she's aware of the need. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:58, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Weird, I was using this link and no credits appeared. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:52, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • BlueMoonset Narutolovehinata5 BlueMoonset, I was pretty sure I needed at least one QPQ. Thanks for clarifying. Thanks for inquirying as well; I am feeling quite better. This is my first double article hook so I wasn't sure how many QPQ were needed. I will complete one tomorrow. Thanks for checking; I appreciate it. dawnleelynn(talk) 06:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 29[edit]

Bell Let's Talk

Bell Let's Talk logo
Bell Let's Talk logo

5x expanded by Kae14 (talk). Nominated by Jaobar (talk) at 01:39, 3 February 2019 (UTC).

Spider-Man (Insomniac Games)

Created/expanded by Jhenderson777 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:13, 31 January 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 30[edit]

HMS Syrtis

Syrtis in April 1943
Syrtis in April 1943

5x expanded by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 02:53, 6 February 2019 (UTC).

X: A Fabulous Child's Story

  • ... that a short story about a child raised without a gender served as an inspiration for a 1975 scientific experiment? Source: "In one condition, the child was introduced as a girl; in another, as a boy; and in a third, no gender information was given. Inclusion of the third condition was prompted in part by a children's story appearing in Ms. magazine about "Baby X" (Gould, 1972)." (Seavey, Katz, & Zalk, 1975, p. 104)
    • ALT1:... that a Village Voice critic described the end of the picture book X: A Fabulous Child's Story as "a rather nice verbal joke–with just a whiff of cloning"? Source: Source 6 (can provide scans if requested).
  • Reviewed: tbd

Moved to mainspace by Bobamnertiopsis (talk). Self-nominated at 16:07, 5 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Doing..., starting review for nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 04:31, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

QPQ: Red XN - ?
Overall: Symbol question.svg Moved to mainspace on January 30, and nominated within seven days on February 5. Length is adequte. Article is neutral in tone, and provides balanced praise and criticism. No plagiarism issures detected. Hooked is cited from an offline source, and properly mentioned in the Legacy section. Hook citation accepted by AGF. The article is adequately sourced. I also understand that the plot section does not require citations as per MOS:PLOTSOURCE, however I am curious if there an available plot summary to cite? QPQ is required and still outstanding. Flibirigit (talk) 04:48, 17 February 2019 (UTC)


  • ... that the glaucoma medication levobunolol is more than 60 times as active as its mirror image? Source: "Das linksdrehende Isomer Levobunolol ist mehr als 60mal stärker wirksam als die rechtsdrehende Strukturvariante. The laevorotatory isomer levobunolol has more than 60 times the activity of the dextrorotatory structural variant." (Austria-Codex. Vienna: Österreichischer Apothekerverlag)

5x expanded by Anypodetos (talk). Self-nominated at 16:46, 30 January 2019 (UTC).

Mazeno Peak

Created/expanded by Mehrajmir13 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 31[edit]


Created by Rlendog (talk). Self-nominated at 14:05, 3 February 2019 (UTC).

Lorraine 12 D

  • ... that the Lorraine 12D was put into production before the design was finalized?
    • ALT1:... that the Lorraine 12D originally had a horsepower of 350 at the time it was first manufactured, but only 50 were produced before they managed to improve it to 400 horsepower?
  • Comment: Just made this, looks good and rather long

Created/expanded by Username Needed (talk). Self-nominated at 12:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Review: These aren’t bad facts. My only issue is there is no source for the hook and only one source for the article. Jhenderson 777 16:41, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
  • ... that the Lorraine 12D was put into production before the design was finalized?(source: [47] page 9 (in french) Could somebody verify that please. [Username Needed] 14:03, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Note. I might need help on reviewing. I am not familiar with the source being reliable or not. Also I don’t know what it says since it’s in French. I tried googling this particular engine to help find sources but I didn’t find much. Jhenderson 777 23:42, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Petebutt may be able to help, he's done some work with this article recently. [Username Needed] 11:06, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
There isn't much available WYSIWYG I'm afraid. The engine was developed rapidly at the start of its production, that much is clear!--Petebutt (talk) 12:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg (Not a full review) The article is presently ineligible because some non-lead paragraphs do not have inline citations, per D2 of the DYK Supplementary guidelines. The Variants section also has no sources. Also, as per the above, none of the hook content is sourced within the article. North America1000 11:08, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Fixed the variants section, and propose a new, sourced hook.ALT2:... that the Lorraine 12D was the first french engine to reach 400 horsepower?(source: [48] page 9 (in french)

Articles created/expanded on February 1[edit]

Alfred Jerger

Alfred Jerger in 1922
Alfred Jerger in 1922

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC).

Claire Born

  • ... that the soprano Claire Born appeared in Bayreuth where she was born as Wagner's Eva and Gutrune, and in Salzburg as Mozart's Countess and Donna Elvira? Source: Kutsch
  • Reviewed: John W. Kirklin
  • Comment: Opera singer sings opera roles, yes, but the Bayreuth-Wagner + Salzburg-Mozart connection is rather unusual, and first to sing Wagner then Mozart, as she did. We could also tell the sad story of her having to leave Germany and Austria in the 1930s, but I'd prefer to focus on what she was able to do. There's an image of a Bayreuth plaque, but I guess it's not god in small size. Best on 17 February, her birthday.

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 09:22, 7 February 2019 (UTC).

and now with links:
ALT1: ... that the soprano Claire Born appeared in Bayreuth where she was born as Wagner's Eva and Gutrune, and in Salzburg as Mozart's Countess and Donna Elvira? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Lynnwood Farnam

  • ... that Lynnwood Farnam ensured that "Canadian Organist" was placed under his name? Source: The Gazette (Montreal, Canada )29 Nov 1930, Page 10: "As evidence of his loyalty to the country of his birth and early life was to be noted in his circulars where he insisted on having "Canadian Organist" under his name."
    • ALT1:... that Lynnwood Farnam the first North American organist to play the entire repertoire of Johann Sebastian Bach's organ works? Source: Whitney, Craig (2004). All The Stops: The Glorious Pipe Organ And Its American Masters. PublicAffairs. p. 92 "he (Biggs) celebrated with a series of twelve recitals in the Germanic Museum of the complete organ works of Bach, a major feat that had been performed by only one American organist before him, Lynnwood Farnam."

Created by 78.26 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:55, 4 February 2019 (UTC).

Mausam Noor

Noor in 2018
Noor in 2018

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 10:57, 2 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Doing... -Nizil (talk) 19:12, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg @Royroydeb: Thank you for nominating DYK. The issues posted at Talk:Mausam_Noor#Issues need to be resolved.-Nizil (talk) 06:02, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
I have addressed the issues raised. RRD (talk) 11:49, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Tom O'Sullivan (actor)

Created by Raintheone (talk). Self-nominated at 20:13, 2 February 2019 (UTC).

Maria Teresa Ferrer i Mallol

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:46, 2 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Can something better be suggested here? Honestly, as someone who has an interest in historical research myself, the hooks aren't very interesting to a broad audience. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:45, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Second opinion and suggestion: I concur with above, that these aren't interesting. May I suggest you to look into the coverage of her work, to find some interesting fact that she helped to uncover. DBigXray 10:08, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
A much better hook, but before I give it the go ahead, I'd need to first know if this is the consensus viewpoint or a minority one. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2 is better than ALT1 and ALT0. Also, the quote from the source and the hotlinked source is missing above. Please provide along with translation if applicable. DBigXray 10:19, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Hook is supported by [50] (p24), which says "Ferrer i Mallol believes that "the coexistence of the three communities was based on segregation"... Therefore, she focuses on spatial, sexual and religious segregation imposed on the Mudejars". And Narutolovehinata5, my knowledge in this area is insufficient to know if this is a minority or majority view- does it matter for the purposes of this hook? Joseph2302 (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, because promoting fringe topics on the main page, especially without proper context, tends to be frowned upon. I think since attribution is given in the hook, that problem might be resolved anyway, I just need to make sure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:14, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 2[edit]

Ruthilde Boesch

  • ... that Ruthilde Boesch, who performed as Mozart's Susanna and in 37 other roles at the Vienna State Opera, made five world tours of recitals, with her second husband as her accompanist? Source: several

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:55, 9 February 2019 (UTC).

Storybook Dads

  • ... that Storybook Dads helps prisoners in the UK read bedtime stories to their children from behind bars? Source: "Storybook Dads allows fathers in prison to record bedtime stories for their children" Guardian newspaper

5x expanded by Mramoeba (talk). Self-nominated at 19:42, 8 February 2019 (UTC).

Spas Wenkoff

  • Reviewed: Bracha Zefira
  • Comment: he was invited to many houses around the world then, we don't have room enough

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 18:34, 6 February 2019 (UTC).

1954 Italian Karakoram expedition to K2

Compagnoni (left) and Lacedelli
Compagnoni (left) and Lacedelli

Created by Thincat (talk). Self-nominated at 18:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I just want to say that I know how much work goes into a page like this and the page looks great. There are a few picky things I've noticed that I hope we can resolve:
  • I was able to get online access to Ghosts of K2 and Fallen Giants. The fact that the cost was "eight times greater than that of the 1953 American expedition" was not something I found in the cited Conefrey book. Perhaps it was in another source? Citations for the line of ascent chart are not clear--does the uncited material come from the Desio source? Please clarify. Assuming good faith on the other print sources, as other spot-checks were fine. No problems with copyvios.
  • Reading the lead, I was confused about the controversy about the account. Could you clarify in the lead that it was the details of the expedition, not whether or not the climbers made the summit, that were controversial? I see that the main controversy article is linked in the lead. I put in another "main article" link under "official published accounts" to emphasize the existence of this helpful page, but it may be more appropriate somewhere else.
  • The Conefrey book mentions that Desio did not bring enough material to shelter his porters in the snow, and that 120 of them left on May 12. Maybe all the details aren't necessary, but I think it's important to include the reason behind the porters' strikes.
  • New enough and long enough. Photo is in the public domain in Italy as a "simple photograph" and therefore in the public domain in the U.S. The photo looks good at a small size. I approve both hooks, which I verified with the online source. Please address the issues I mentioned to move the nomination forward. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful comments. I shall go through them point by point and ping you (tomorrow probably) when I've finished.

  • "Eight times": it is in my printed library book and on the Google preview I am seeing https://books.google.com/books?id=Bp8jDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA189 (page 189 in both) "... cost about 100 milliion lira, ... around eight times more than Houston had spent and three times more than the 1953 British Everest expedition."
  • The line of ascent does not come from Desio (except possibly for the lower camps). By the time I got to 1954 Italian Karakoram expedition controversy I cited this more carefully so I'll do so for the present article. My Open Library borrowing of Desio has now expired and someone else has booked it out but I don't think this will matter (I'm next in the queue now anyway).
  • Yes, your "main" template was helpful and placed appropriately. I expect the difficulty is that the controversy, although it rather raged in Italy for fifty years, now seems rather unimportant (maybe even in Italy). I'll see what I can do to make this more clear in the lead. Yes the two climbers really did reach the top and no one has ever suggested they didn't.
  • Porters always went on strike (and until the Swiss attempted Everest in 1952 they were treated pretty shabbily) but I'll say why on this occasion they went on strike! Thincat (talk) 21:44, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I've seen to those things, I believe, and in particular I've extended the lead. Please let me know if you think there should be further improvements even if they are not requirements for DYK. Thincat (talk) 19:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Kissena Park

  • ... that Kissena Park in New York City was originally the site of a tree nursery and had a railroad line running through it? Source: NYC Parks website

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk), Tdorante10 (talk), and Quackslikeaduck (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 02:55, 3 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 3[edit]

Electric Telegraph Company

Cable Ship Monarch
Cable Ship Monarch
  • ... that the Electric Telegraph Company operated the Monarch, the first dedicated cable-laying ship? Source: "The Company also decided to lay the cables themselves and for this purpose they purchased Monarch (1) and fitted her out, firstly on a temporary basis and later as the first ship to be permanently equipped for cable work." Haigh, p. 194

5x expanded by Spinningspark (talk). Self-nominated at 23:05, 7 February 2019 (UTC).

Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt (Mendelssohn)

Mendelssohn in 1847
Mendelssohn in 1847

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:01, 7 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. The hook fact is verified in the Google Books reference; however, the reference does not come after the sentence supporting the hook fact. QPQ has been done. I would suggest that the hook be rephrased slightly in order to give some context on why it was originally thought that it was written for the Hamburg Temple (Neues Tempel in the source). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:54, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for looking. The hook fact is in 3 consecutive sentences, and the ref now following every single one of them, hope that helps. I think we should just raise curiosity in a hook, and lure the reader into the article to search for the details. They also would not have much to do with the composition. Simply illustrating that M. was ready to work for different faiths should be message enough, imho. (It's Neuer Tempel, btw., see pic caption in de:Israelitischer Tempel (Hamburg), a FA.) - I'd be willing to add "new" but it would be a duplication of "New Temple, or we could add "reformed", or even "first reformed", - this was a prominent thing. Still, far away from the specific composition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
The hook lacks clarity, in my opinion. I don't mind hooks which encourage the reader to click the article to learn more, but I don't think it's executed well in this specific instance. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:18, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
What do you suggest? I like to start with the bolded topic, but can't do it here if I try to be more precise:
ALT1: ... that Felix Mendelssohn (pictured) was requested to compose a setting of Psalm 100 for the new Reformed Temple in Hamburg, but the 1944 choral setting Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt was probably written for the Berlin Cathedral? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
That sounds like a step in the right direction, but right now it's 226 characters long, which is too long. What about something like:
ALT1a: ... that Felix Mendelssohn (pictured) was requested to compose a setting of Psalm 100 for the new Hamburg Temple, but its 1944 choral setting was probably written for the Berlin Cathedral? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:46, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
ALT1b: ... that Mendelssohn (pictured) was requested to compose Psalm 100 for the new Hamburg Temple, but probably set it as Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt for the Berlin Cathedral? Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds a lot better. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:04, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Ida Tarbell

  • ... that ...? Source: Ida Tarbell's investigative journalism into Standard Oil and John D. Rockefeller brought about "the dissolution of Standard Oil as a monopoly and lead to the Clayton Antitrust Act."
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: Ida Tarbell was one of the original muckrakers, a term given by Theodore Roosevelt.

Improved to Good Article status by Auldhouse (talk). Self-nominated at 21:00, 5 February 2019 (UTC).

I will re-examine and get back with hooks. Auldhouse (talk) 19:03, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Becontree tube station

Improved to Good Article status by Vincent60030 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:18, 4 February 2019 (UTC).

Boston Manor tube station

  • Comment: I was thinking of adding this as an April Fool's joke. Is this funny enough?

Improved to Good Article status by Vincent60030 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC).

Schio massacre

  • ... that the Italian Communist Party blamed Trotskyite agents for carrying out the Schio massacre which led to an Allied military court trial? Source: Osvaldo Croci in the journal Modern Italy, text in free preview [52]: "in July 1945 the PCI blamed 'Trotskyite agents'"

Created by Pudeo (talk). Self-nominated at 22:36, 3 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 4[edit]

Marc Piollet

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC).

Chandos Anthems

The Chandos Portrait of Handel
The Chandos Portrait of Handel
  • ... that the Chandos Anthems, psalm settings by Handel (pictured) as composer in residence at Cannons, were described as a "panorama of the composer's creative output"? Source: [53]

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:58, 11 February 2019 (UTC).


Skeletal diagram of Bajadasaurus
Skeletal diagram of Bajadasaurus
  • ... that Bajadasaurus had elongated neural spines on its neck, thought to have been used to deter predators?
    • ALT1:... that Bajadasaurus had elongated neural spines on its neck, like its relative Amargasaurus, but pointing in the opposite direction?
  • ALT2: … that Bajadasaurus might have used its long neck spines to deter predators?

Created by Zigongosaurus1138 (talk) and Jens Lallensack (talk). Nominated by Lusotitan (talk) at 21:45, 10 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 5[edit]

Marlise Wendels

Created by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Can a new hook be proposed here? Because as it is, it's honestly not very interesting. It's not exactly "hooky" by itself to ask someone not to leave an institution, unless the background behind the event was interesting in its own right, which doesn't seem to be seen in the hook. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
It's what the author proposed, - look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera. - It's a speacial person who asked, and a special institution to stay. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Actually, I didn't propose that as a DYK hook. It was simply a blurb I used when listing new articles WikiProject Opera. Voceditenore (talk) 13:36, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I know, but I found it appealing, and wanted to avoid the "opera singer appears in opera" kind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I will be frank here: the hook is not very interesting to those who are not familiar with opera music. Most people do not know who Solti is, nor why he is significant. Gerda, you have to realize that perhaps a majority of Wikipedia's readers are not familiar with what goes on in the classical music scene, so it's not really a good idea to assume that readers know who most of these people are, or why they are important. I understand that the hook wording was a special request, but honestly right now it doesn't make much sense. Like the typical reader would ask: "who is this Solti person?" "why did Wendels want to leave the Frankfurt Opera?" "is leaving it a big deal"? I don't the hook proposal needs to be abandoned altogether though, all it needs is some additional context about the situation. That way, the typical Wikipedia reader would understand why Solti promising Wendels that she wouldn't leave the Frankfurt Opera was important. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
We have a link to Solti, no? (One of the best-known conductors in the world, but this was early in his career. From his article: "Solti's Ring has twice been voted the greatest recording ever made".) And those not knowing him will not be interested in her either. The why, we simply don't know. I thought that her connection to someone internally famous who appeciated her so much that he asked would be good for her. I don't think if it was Kennedy you'd ask "who is this Kennedy person". Sigh. Back from glamour to local:
ALT1: ... that among the 100 roles that Marlise Wendels performed in 36 years at the Frankfurt Opera was Rosa in the first staged performance of Henze's Ein Landarzt? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
That doesn't sound like a better option at all. As I mentioned earlier, ALT0 can work, it just needs to be rephrased. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I suspect Solti's main reason for asking for a promise was that he was getting the fledgling Frankfurt Opera off the ground and hoped that his singers would not use it as mere stepping stone to greater things. Wendels in fact never left the company and sang there for her entire 36 year career. I'll propose another hook below. The reference is the same as for the original hook. Voceditenore (talk) 13:59, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Funny story, I was actually about to propose a hook similar to yours but I got an edit conflict. I'll list it below nevertheless:
ALT3 ... that at the height of the opera career of Marlise Wendels, she would sometimes sing in over 300 performances in a single season?
Also listing an ALT4:
ALT4 ... that in her 36 years as a member of the Frankfurt Opera, Marlise Wendels sang over 100 roles that ranged from soubrette to dramatic soprano?
Those sound like opera-related hooks that non-opera fans might be able to appreciate. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I quite like ALT4 but in the literature opera singers sing roles rather than play them. Voceditenore (talk) 14:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Fixed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Thoughts on ALT2, ALT3, and ALT4? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:40, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
No ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
The other nominator (Voceditenore) seems to like them, though. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes ;) - go ahead --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:30, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Noted. Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer requested since I proposed ALT3 and ALT4. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

1176 Cardigan eisteddfod

Created by Sionk (talk). Self-nominated at 08:43, 9 February 2019 (UTC).

Dopey (podcast)

  • ... that Dopey is a podcast about addiction and recovery where one of the hosts died of a drug overdose?
  • Comment: Pretty morbid hook, I admit, but entirely germane to its notability. As a result, I've included an alternate that is less sensational.

Created/expanded by WWB (talk). Self-nominated at 06:23, 5 February 2019 (UTC).

Park Crescent West ice well

  • Reviewed: to follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 14:50, 5 February 2019 (UTC).

Nubra River

Created by Mehrajmir13 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:59, 5 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 6[edit]

Fatwa of Ali Khamenei against insulting revered Sunni figures

  • Comment: I know that I have 7 days to take action for nominating DYK, but since it is my first experince, please do not ignore me.

Created by M1nhm (talk). Self-nominated at 09:54, 14 February 2019 (UTC).

Ein Landarzt (opera)

Created by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:44, 13 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg -Article recently created (6 Fby), long enough ( 3609 characters), neutral, hooks are cited in the article, no copyvio/closeparaphrasing, the hook is well within character limit (122 and 145 chars respectively), accurate, sourced, probably of interest, both musical and literature... no image used. Only a couple of things; I assume we don't have DAB-links on the main page so I've linked both hooks to the short story itself. Also, can we clarify what "after a short story means"—is it named after, based on? I don't think it's particularly important, but you've got lots of space to lay with, so a word of clarification wouldn't break the bank. Just awaiting Gerda's QPQ; I don't have any particular preference for the hook, so whatever you want—ALT0, I expect? It's all good. ——SerialNumber54129 18:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I replaced "after" by "closely based on" in both hooks. Sorry about the dab, I was a bit in a rush. - Will do qpq after looking at another ping and the watch list. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
... and I reviewed now --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Maspalomas Station

Maspalomas Station on Gran Canaria
Maspalomas Station on Gran Canaria
  • ... that the signals broadcast from the first Moon Landing in 1969 first arrived at Maspalomas Station in the Canary Islands?
    • ALT1:... that the first place on Earth to receive Neil Armstrong's words from the Moon on 20 July 1969 was Maspalomas Station in the Canary Islands?
  • Comment: It would be lovely to time this for 20 July 2019, the 50th anniversary of the moon landing

5x expanded by Cnbrb (talk) and Rudykog (talk). Nominated by Cnbrb (talk) at 16:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC).

Comment: you probably didn't know that we usually don't hold for longer than 6 weeks? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:27, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Oh, no I didn't know. Last time I nominated, it took so long that I thought I might as well get in early. So I have to time this nomination precisely for the 1st week in June? Cnbrb (talk) 17:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Then they'll tell you that it's not new enough. - I see three ways: you go to WP:DYKTALK, explain and ask for an exception, or you make it a GA in June, - they are also eligible, or you find something connected, write on that in June, and mention this in the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Danke für den Hinweis Gerda. So, for any admins/approvers reading this, it would be very nice if this DYK, if approved, could be held until July 2019. Cnbrb (talk) 12:44, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Brenva Glacier

Debris-covered lower slopes of the Brenva Glacier
Debris-covered lower slopes of the Brenva Glacier
  • ... that when a huge rockfall near Mont Blanc covered part of the Brenva Glacier (pictured) in 1920, it caused it to advance 490 m (1,610 ft) over 20 years, whilst all other glaciers in the Alps were in retreat?
    Source 1: The 1920 deposit on the glacier caused an advance until 1940, the only one of this kind in the Alps.(cited in Abstract); Source 2: The 1920 avalanche augmented the debris cover in the ablation zone, causing the glacier to advance 490m between 1920 and 1941; in contrast, neighboring glaciers retreated from the mid-1920s onward. (Singh, page 117, first para.)
    • ALT1:... that the Brenva Glacier (pictured) near Mont Blanc in the Alps is the second longest glacier in Italy, at 6.7 mi (10.8 km)? Source: The Brenva valley glacier is the second largest on the Italian side of Mont Blanc with a surface area of about 7 square kilometers and about 6,700 meters long.(Aosta official tourism site)

Created by Nick Moyes (talk). Self-nominated at 15:32, 10 February 2019 (UTC).

Jesse James (treasurer), Warren G. Harding (Texas politician)

  • Reviewed: IOU 2 QPQ
  • Comment: April Fools Day, please. I nearly have 400 DYKs and haven't yet gotten in on the April Fools chicanery. James is a full 5x expansion. Harding was 869 characters of prose prior to my expansion, so a full 5x is 4,345, and right now the article is 4,301. I'll keep working on it to see if I can make a full 5x, but hopefully it's close enough that we can let these pass even if it's still a little short.

5x expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 20:49, 6 February 2019 (UTC).

  • My crystal ball predicts you'll get no mercy on the 5X requirement, but ALT0 is my kind of hook (ALT1 is worthless) so if you can't get to 5X let me know and I'm sure I'll come up with some bullshit to pad the article with. Bullshit's my middle name. Also, I've added ALT2 -- less is more. EEng 21:36, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
  • EEng, good point re "less is more" (as I said, it's my first April Fools submission). I'm culling Alt1. Harding at this exact moment is a 4.949x expansion. Maybe I can find that last 0.051x, but maybe not. It should be close enough. I'd pass an article that rounds up to 5x. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:44, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Just added enough to get it to 4,452, or 5.123x expanded. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Queens Botanical Garden

  • ... that Queens Botanical Garden in New York City was built on top of landfill atop a creek? Source: NY Times 2001. "Most of its 39 acres consist of landfill dumped on a creek, which pocks the ground with soggy sinkholes."
  • Reviewed: QPQ pending
  • Comment: I'll put more ALTs later

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk) and Tdorante10 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 03:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Expanded eightfold, within policy, QPQ pending. Great article, worthy of having a pic featured on the DYK. The landfill angle is good; ALT0 feels a little clunky with its chain prepositions. ALT1 reads better, but I'd switch it to "on top of a landfill." I also wonder if it should read "Did you know that the Queens Botanical Garden was built..." It's tricky with New York City's Five Burroughs: we say "The Bronx" with a "the" while "Queens" doesn't get a "the." Yet we also say "The Bronx Zoo" and "The Queens Museum." Thoughts? Morganfitzp (talk) 03:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Morganfitzp, Thanks for the response. We say "the Queens Museum" and "the Bronx Zoo" because "the" is the definite article and we are referring to the museum, and the zoo. There's a reason why we say "The Bronx" instead of just "Bronx", but it has to do with rivers. I'm fine with saying "... that the Queens Botanical Garden in New York City is located atop landfill?" As for the QPQ, I will do it soon. epicgenius (talk) 04:14, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Linda Sarsour

Linda Sarsour
Linda Sarsour
  • ... that the Muslim feminist activist Linda Sarsour (pictured) defends sharia law but believes that it does not impose on non-Muslims? [55]

Improved to Good Article status by MagicatthemovieS (talk). Self-nominated at 01:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article was promoted to GA on February 6, 2019. It is long enough and neutral in content. The image is clearly visible at size and holds the proper license. However, the hook is not neutral and lacks nuance. There are plenty of characters left to allow the addition of some explanation of her stance. Something about if and how sharia law applies to non-muslims should be added. QPQ also requires completion. I will return for a re-review when these are addressed. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
@MagicatthemovieS: Please respond here so we can keep the conversation in one place. The hook is good now. Are you ok with my copy edits? WP:QPQ is one of the requirements of DYK nominations for experienced editors like yourself. You must review another DYK nomination to assist the project.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:21, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I strongly object to the phrasing and framing of this hook, including the word "law" with sharia; it implies something that is not true. It's overly simplistic and creates possible BLP implications which are inappropriate for a biographical DYK. I suggest we find a more meaningful and less controversial hook. How about, ... that the Muslim feminist activist Linda Sarsour (pictured) has been involved in a number of protests against American President Donald Trump? That is neutral, accurate and doesn't create implications which shouldn't exist. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree that it needs a different hook. Sarsour's stance on Sharia Law is just a talking point of conservative critics. It has very little to do with her career or activism. There are lots of other interesting things about Sarsour that would make better (and less partisan) hooks. Kaldari (talk) 15:50, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I just realized that I did not complete a COPYVIO check. Earwig flags several copyright violations.[56] Also, NorthBySouthBaranof and Kaldari are right. This hook is not neutral. I should have gone with my first instinct and rejected it outright. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:21, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @MagicatthemovieS: The original hook has been struck per concerns raised above; please suggest new hooks and/or respond to NorthByTheSouthBaranof's suggestion. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 7[edit]

Durham (poem)

1610 map of Durham
1610 map of Durham
  • ... that Durham, a poem praising the city (map pictured) and its saints' relics, has been described as "the last extant poem written in traditional alliterative Old English metrical verse"? Source of the quotation: "Durham, composed between 1104 and 1109, is the last extant poem written in traditional alliterative Old English metrical verse." (Grossi 2012); & "A modest fragment of twenty lines, devoted to praise of the city of Durham ... The scope of the poem is limited to a few topics: the grandeur of the city, its fortunate location, and the saints and holy relics for which it is celebrated." (Schlauch 1941)
    • ALT1:... that Durham, a poem describing the city and its saints' relics (Cuthbert pictured), has been described as "the last extant poem written in traditional alliterative Old English metrical verse"? Source: [per main hook]
Illustration of Cuthbert's incorrupt body
Illustration of Cuthbert's incorrupt body
    • ALT2:... that Durham, which possibly commemorates the translation of St Cuthbert (pictured) to Durham Cathedral in 1104, might be the earliest English occasional poem? Source: "The late Old English poem Durham may be the first example in English of the honorable, if minor, genre of the occasional poem. Durham was composed in conjunction with an event which caused a great stir when it took place at Durham in 1104. This was the occasion of the Translation of the incorrupt body of St. Cuthbert into the shrine prepared for it in the apse of the great Norman cathedral which was at that moment under construction on the high bluff above the river Wear." (Kendall 1988)
  • Reviewed: Shepard tables
  • Comment: Moved into mainspace on 7 February after languishing for years in my userspace; I'm still working on the details but it should be suitable for review now. Sources mostly need JSTOR/Project Muse access, but [57] covers the basics. There are lots of suitable images; I have suggested a second below.

Moved to mainspace by Espresso Addict (talk). Self-nominated at 03:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting facts, on fine sources, accepting those I can't see AGF, no copyvio obvious. I moved the second image up, but think you don't see enough in small size. The map is showing fine, and is licensed. Espresso Addict, sorry, I think the hooks are too complex for the ordinary audience of our Main page. What do you think of a simple
ALT3: ... that "Durham" is a poem in Old English metrical verse, praising the city (map pictured) and its saints' relics, especially Cuthbert's?
Did you noticed that I wrote "Durham" as I know poems are marked: in quotation marks, not italic, see here. Please check that. I think too many readers will think thy know what a translation is and not find out, - so ALT2 is potentially confusing, - also I'm no friend of "might be" hooks. - Thank you for this detailed gem of an article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your speedy review, Gerda Arendt!
The reason I included the second (near contemporary) illo is that I can see the map not being selected on grounds it is 1610, a whole era later than 1104. (I couldn't find an earlier map, and it does illustrate the first part of the poem very neatly.) I agree the weird new-to-me pixel widths do seem to make the Cuthbert one less than ideally clear.
I should have wikilinked translation, as it is in the lead, but it could be rephrased, possibly over a piped link, eg '...the installation of St Cuthbert in...'
I don't know about the quotation marks: in the lit, the poem is universally referred to as Durham not "Durham" (which to my eye is American punctuation) nor 'Durham'. I wonder if the usual style for modern-era short poems, such as the example you cite, is different? See, for example, The Owl and the Nightingale, thought I note other poems in the Old English category are mixed, often within the same article (which suggests to me a dichotomy between our style guide & the practice in the field). Whatever, I think the hook should match the article, so I'd need to change the article to not match any of its many authoritative sources. (One of the reasons I never bother with FA is that I disagree with the MoS on a number of points.)
Tastes differ, obviously, but I don't like your suggestion (Alt 3) at all, sorry! It's not very hooky, 'metrical verse' just means 'verse' (I don't know why the original quotation has it!?), and a lot of the crit that I haven't yet assimilated into the article (introduced briefly at the end) focuses on the importance of the poem relating to its inclusion of Bede, rather than Cuthbert. The problem with all the 'might be's is that very little seems truly certain about this poem. How about:
I chickened out of suggesting something along those lines, because it's so hard to source properly. But in addition to the sources already in the article, there's also, for example, the chapter by Seth Lerer (ref 15): 'While it has, in fact, been included in the Anglo-Saxon Poetic Records (as the ‘latest of the extant Anglo-Saxon poems in the regular alliterative meter’)...' as well as the book by Nicholas Howe (ref 17): '...in Durham, a poem composed so late in the Anglo-Saxon period that one almost hesitates to use this term to date it. In Old English meter and alliteration...' That's just the ones I happen to have open on my desktop right now -- I'll see what else I can muster. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 00:04, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for what others would present as a new article ;) - Style of presenting poems: - I have been subjected to house style once (vs. general style), I hope it will not happen to you. - Hook: it's not length what strikes me as "not for the DYK section" but that the specific interest in medieval poetry is something you can't expect from the average reader. Look for my name on this page, and you'll see examples of telling me the same about opera singers. The long quote in the hook and ALT1, exceptional and precise as it is, might be boring for them. How about something along the line "late Old English, early occasional"? And perhaps link relics? Talking about saints: happy Valentine ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I've just received some long papers from the nice guys at the Resource Exchange, and I think there might be something about riddles that might pique the interest of the average reader. Will get back to the problem when I've had some sleep -- happy Valentine's Day to you too! Espresso Addict (talk) 09:38, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, riddles sounds good, and no rush. Eventually you can perhaps explain what makes Durham a city (vs. a town), and ponder a translation to modern English, for us foreigners who may miss too much without it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Johan Ruijsink

Created by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 13:14, 7 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 8[edit]

Ria Ginster

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:03, 12 February 2019 (UTC).

Vitamin deficiency

  • ... that 81 countries require food fortification of commonly consumed foods with one or more vitamins as a means of reducing prevalence of vitamin deficiencies, the most common being folic acid in 62 countries? Source: Ref #5Map: Count of Nutrients In Fortification Standards". Global Fortification Data Exchange.
  • Reviewed: to date, I have reviewed seven (West African bichir, Nemobius sylvestris, Megachile chomskyi, Robin Ling, Harold Basil Christian, General George Washington Resigning His Commission, Oriental Basin pocket gopher). This is my seventh nomination. Both lists near top of my Talk
  • Comment: Parts of what I added were copied from existing articles and should not be counted as part of my expansion. Those parts: History, Food fortification. Also, I cut parts of the article before I expanded it, so not sure what the starting point is for my 5X expansion.
  • Comment: The reference is interactive. To get to the numbers in the DYK one has to deselect voluntary fortification, turn off all nutrients, then turn on all vitamins to get the 81, then turn off all but folic acid to get to 62. Really.

5x expanded by David notMD (talk). Self-nominated at 01:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 9[edit]


  • ... that African-American rapper Leikeli47 always masks her face while performing, saying it makes her feel "free"? Source: "the mask, it represents freedom. I'm free with it on." (Vibe)

Created by Citrivescence (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 19:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC).

Margit Bokor

Margit Bokor
Margit Bokor
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: ... and then emigrated in 1939

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:08, 16 February 2019 (UTC).

Guianan squirrel monkey

Guianan squirrel monkey
Guianan squirrel monkey
  • ... that despite weighing less than 1500 grams, the Guianan squirrel monkey has a varied diet that includes seeds, nectar, gums, insects and even bats? Mittermeier, et al: "weight: 550-1400g (males) and 550-1200g (females)" and "Their diets were principally insects, fruit, flowers, nectar, seeds, gums, spiders, lizards and bird's eggs...The Guianan squirrel monkey has been seen eating a bat only once, so it evidently does not hunt for them systematically as does the Central American squirrel monkey."

Converted from a redirect by Rlendog (talk). Self-nominated at 01:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC).

Sophie Van De Heuvel

Created by Teratix (talk). Self-nominated at 10:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC).

Pacu jawi

Pacu jawi in Indonesia
Pacu jawi in Indonesia
  • ... that in the traditional bull race of Tanah Datar, Indonesia, the jockey holds the tails of two bulls while they sprint across a muddy rice field (pictured)?
    Source: All of the sources basically describe the race this way
  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: I think the image is high quality (as well as many alternative images in commons:Category:Pacu jawi), and I think this will be very attractive as the picture hook (aka lead hook).

Created by HaEr48 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:29, 11 February 2019 (UTC).

Byron A. Stover

Source: On p. 45 of Legendary Local of Bend Oregon, it says: "Governor Tom McCall and Byron A. "Dutch" Stover did spadework at the September 23, 1971, dedication of Dutch Stover Park, named in honor of Stover’s decades of service to Bend, Oregon…"

Created by Orygun (talk). Self-nominated at 03:56, 11 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Honestly, a new hook might be needed here, as I don't think this hook appeals much, if at all, to non-Oregonians. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:11, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
  • How about this ...
ALT1: … that Byron A. Stover was a football letterman and forestry major at Ohio State University before moving to Oregon where he became a successful businessman and state legislator?
Source: On p. 45 of Legendary Local of Bend Oregon, it says: "A 1913 forestry graduate and two-year football letterman at Ohio State University, Stover arrived in Bend in 1914. … Stover returned to Bend to purchase … the newly completed Capitol Theater … the almost adjacent Liberty Theater, and other Central Oregon theaters. … Beginning in 1949, he served several terms in Oregon’s state legislature."
Seem like this has broader appeal...Ohio, football, forestry, Oregon.--Orygun (talk) 06:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds like a better option. However, I'd suggest linking to letterman since that's a rather technical term that's not exactly familiar to non-Americans (both in the hook and the article itself). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:21, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Done. Also, linked football to American football for benefit of international readers.--Orygun (talk) 20:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Sputnik 1

A replica of Sputnik 1
A replica of Sputnik 1

Improved to Good Article status by Kees08 (talk). Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk) at 21:07, 9 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg GA, in time, long enough, sourced, inline hook citations check out (ALT0, with offline sources, accepted AGF), QPQ done, image appropriately licensed. Kees08 and Coffeeandcrumbs, seems like there's some close paraphrasing here, here. here, and here. --Usernameunique (talk) 04:30, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
    Rephrased 1, 2, and 4. I do not think I can change the wording of the small match in 3. Let me know if you believe additional work is required. Kees08 (Talk) 04:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Pinging @Usernameunique:. Thanks. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:22, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Dolo hospital airstrike

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 10:16, 9 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New, in time, long enough, sourced, inline hook citation checks out, no apparent copyvios. Chetsford, QPQ needed. Also, please clip the newspapers.com articles so that those without subscriptions can also access the content. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:05, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Usernameunique - thanks much, I've finished the QPQ now. Chetsford (talk) 09:31, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Chetsford, could you also clip the newspapers.com articles so that others can read them? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 04:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@Usernameunique: Note that your clipping request above is not part of the DYK rules, and also that per WP:SOURCEACCESS, it is advised to "not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access". North America1000 12:31, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Northamerica1000, they are not being rejected, nor are they "difficult or costly to access". Rather, newspapers.com provides a simple way of letting other people access them: clipping. Moreover, since at least one of the articles supports the hook fact, I think it is reasonable to ask Chetsford to clip the articles in question. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 22:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I apologize, I've been a bit behind and haven't had a chance to get around to clipping all the articles. I'm not 100% sure I know how to do it, but I'll figure it out and get to it ASAP. Chetsford (talk) 22:36, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Frank Dux

Frank Dux: Improved to Good Article status by Damien Linnane (talk). Self-nominated at 01:14, 9 February 2019 (UTC). The Secret Man created on 11 February 2019 by Damien Linnane. Self-nominated.

  • Comment - not a review, but I'm pretty sure you only need 2 QPQs at best unless you're planning to break a record. Juxlos (talk) 22:20, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @Juxlos: Yeah I'm aware of that. I was hoping if I reviewed some more I might gets someone's attention and get a review of my own sooner than usual. Doesn't look like it's working so far yet. Damien Linnane (talk) 00:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • GAs are inherently longer and trickier to review plus a lot of Los Angeles Times means European editors (like me) have a lot of GDPR blocks. Juxlos (talk) 00:27, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on February 10[edit]

Apollo 11 Fiftieth Anniversary commemorative coins

Obverse of five ounce silver dollar
Obverse of five ounce silver dollar

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:56, 16 February 2019 (UTC).

Psalm 93

St. Rumbold's Cathedral in Mechelen, Belgium
St. Rumbold's Cathedral in Mechelen, Belgium
  • Reviewed: David Johnson (photographer)
  • Comment: The text says something about reigning in beauty, which I think the image carries without words.

5x expanded by Yoninah (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:55, 15 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 11[edit]

Tessa Ganserer

Ganserer sitting in the Bavarian Parliament
Ganserer sitting in the Bavarian Parliament
  • Did you know that Tessa Ganserer is the first openly transgender person to serve in a German parliament? On Monday, German MP Tessa Ganserer returned to the Bavarian parliament and held her first press conference since coming out as transgender. This makes her the first out trans lawmaker to hold office in Germany." ([58])

Created by Willthacheerleader18 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC).

Washington Initiative 1639

  • Reviewed: forthcoming

5x expanded by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 10:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC).

Khaled bin Alwaleed bin Talal

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 06:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Prose size (text only): 1659 characters (281 words) "readable prose size" is ok
  • Article created by Chetsford on February 11, 2019 is ok
  • Copyvio detection: looks fine
  • Hook: cited

Doing..., please add QPQ. --Titodutta (talk) 20:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Titodutta - thanks for the review. QPQ now done. Chetsford (talk) 08:25, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 12[edit]

Stigmatoteuthis arcturi

  • ... that the jewelled squid has two unequal-sized eyes which look in different directions? Source: "One of the most distinctive features of these squid is the different size and orientation of the eyes."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:52, 16 February 2019 (UTC).

Caesar's planned invasion of the Parthian Empire

  • Comment First self-nomination.

5x expanded by Dushan Jugum (talk). Self-nominated at 08:09, 15 February 2019 (UTC).

John Harding (photographer)

  • ... that 34 years after John Harding published his photobook Siblings, he published a supplement under the exact same title? Source for the 2016 book Siblings and its relationship to the 1982 book: OCLC 957298471. More info on the 1982 book Siblings: your choice among ISBN 3-88184-052-4. The newer book is rather obscure; if you'd like to see more evidence for it, there's this illustrated introduction (text in Japanese) from a Japanese retailer.

Created by Hoary (talk). Self-nominated at 00:23, 14 February 2019 (UTC). (Nomination supplemented 00:40, 14 February 2019 (UTC))

Véronique Aka

Source: "...elle est la première femme élue présidente de conseil régional." (Roughly translates to: She is the first woman elected president of a regional council.)

Source: "Mme Véronique Aka, première femme présidente de conseil régional" (Roughly translates to: Mrs. Véronique Aka, first woman president of a regional council)

    • ALT1:... that Véronique Aka was the first female to be elected president of an Ivorian regional council? Source: ALT0
    • ALT2:... that Véronique Aka is the president of Réseau des Femmes africaines Ministres et Parlementaires de Côte d'Ivoire, a network of female parliamentarians that unites women and fight female poverty?

Source: "Le Réseau des femmes d'Afrique ministres et parlementaires, section Côte d'Ivoire (Refampci) reste attaché à sa vocation première qui est la promotion du bien-être de la femme... La femme ministre et parlementaire de par sa fonction est à même d'engager des projets de loi de nature à lutter contre la pauvreté en milieu féminin." (Roughly translates to: [REFAMPCI] stays attached to its primary vocation/job which is the promotion of the wellbeing of women... The female minister and parliamentarian by its function is able to introduce bills/laws to fight against poverty facing women.]

Source: "Cette association regroupe des femmes qui sont ou ont été ministres et parlementaires." (Roughly translates to: [REFAMPCI] regroups/unites women who are or who were ministers and parliamentarians)

Created/expanded by Toreightyone (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 13 February 2019 (UTC).

Warwan Valley

Created by Mehrajmir13 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough, meets other guidelines. Multiple references on each paragraph. QPQ done. The hook is not in the article - only that "most villages have no road connectivity". There is no mention of electricity or communications.
Symbol question.svg Problem with hook needs to be addressed. MB 02:04, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • The hook was already present in the lead section. I have now included it in the body (access section) as well. MB May please check.  MehrajMir (talk) 03:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I missed that in the lead, but it really belongs in the body also. I'm concerned that hook/article say the villages have NO electricity/connectivity while the source says the PEOPLE have no electricity/connectivity and goes on to explain there is some electricity generated locally providing some communications and some lighting (solar), and there is some road connectivity part of the year. I suggest a minor change, either:
  • ALT0A ... that most of the people in the Warwan Valley are living without electricity, communication and road connectivity?
  • ALT0B ... that most of the villages in the Warwan Valley are living with minimal electricity, communication and road connectivity?
Symbol question.svg. Please comment. MB 17:58, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Okay ALT0A looks a better alternative. Please proceed.  MehrajMir (talk) 03:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Eiss Archive

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 21:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC).

Comment: please avoid "documents that document". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Fixed :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:39, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Spectral G-index

Source: "the G-Index is proposed because CCT is not a perfect measure of blue light... The G-index value is directly related to blue light content, and so should be specified when light pollution effects on wildlife or on star visibility are a concern.[59]

Created by Anotherdoon (talk). Self-nominated at 18:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC).

Tulail Valley

Created by Mehrajmir13 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:07, 12 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 13[edit]

The 'Finger-Assisted' Nephrectomy of Professor Nadey Hakim

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 13:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC).

Mags Portman, Greg Owen

  • ... that sexual health doctor Mags Portman and activist Greg Owen worked together to provide accessible HIV medication, preventing thousands of new HIV diagnoses in Britain? Source: "Dr Portman played a critical role in helping Owen, by approaching the General Medical Council (the governing body for doctors) to seek clarification on whether clinicians can recommend treatments to their patients that the NHS doesn't offer. The council's reply — that not only can doctors, but they must — changed everything." Strudwick 2019
    • ALT1:... that sexual health doctor Mags Portman and activist Greg Owen helped prevent thousands of cases of HIV in Britain? Source: "Her work is credited with helping prevent thousands of HIV infections." Reynolds 2019
  • Reviewed: I have 3 credited DYKs

Created by Enwebb (talk). Self-nominated at 04:58, 14 February 2019 (UTC).

Chloe Brennan (Neighbours)

Moved to mainspace by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:27, 14 February 2019 (UTC).

Víctor Manuel Vázquez Mireles

  • ... that U.S. citizens are prohibited from engaging in business activities with Víctor Manuel Vázquez Mireles? Source: "... Other individuals designated today who have faced federal indictments for violating U.S. narcotics laws include Dimas Gonzalez Rodriguez, Victor Manuel Vasquez Mireles, and Rogelio Gonzalez Pizana ... U.S. persons are prohibited from conducting financial or commercial transactions with the designees ..." (OFAC)

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 20:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC).

ASV Mk. II radar

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 17:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Sources are offline so AGFing and assuming source cited supports the hook/there is no plagiarism etc. Needs QPQ. GiantSnowman 12:23, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Did QPQ Daan Jahja. Maury Markowitz (talk) 01:14, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Arianna String Quartet

  • Reviewed: Pending

Created by Zingarese (talk). Self-nominated at 00:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting ensemble, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. I am not enthusiastic about the hooks, because both are what one reviewer says. I'd like a little more in the article, especially links to the specific pieces rather than the composers, and perhaps a bit more lead? Perhaps years for the recordings? - Please avoid "current" shich will still be there in five years, if nobody updates. It would be better to reference to Fanfare directly (at least additionally), not the quartet's website. - And then perhaps say something more factual in the hook, with a short quote? - How do you feel about an infobox, compare Arditti Quartet? Also waiting for qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 14[edit]

From Dixie With Love

  • Reviewed: Maldives
  • Comment: For April Fools Day

Moved to mainspace by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 11:11, 14 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 15[edit]

Wafaa El Saddik

  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New, in time, long enough, sourced, no apparently copyvios. Joseph2302, QPQ needed. Also, I can't access the part of the article that talks about the tours, could you please copy and paste that part here? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 20:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Submarine Memorial Chapel

Argonaut's ship's bell
Argonaut's ship's bell

Created/expanded by Bri (talk). Self-nominated at 23:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 16[edit]

Coffin of Nedjemankh

The coffin of Nedjemankh
The coffin of Nedjemankh

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 20:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg length and age check out. The hook doesn't give the article's name, but gives an acceptable description, so I think it's fine. Interesting hook. References check out, could use more, but that's more of a "GA" thing than DYK. I can't see any plagiarism or close paraphrasing. The hook says $4 million; article says 3.95, but I think that's acceptable rounding given there's a currency conversion in there anyway. Page the image is from is broken, but the Met pretty much copyright releases by default. Caption might be on the long side, but we can always cut it. So, yeah, minor quibbles, but nothing to block DYK. Good work! Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.3% of all FPs 00:12, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 17[edit]

Cactus wren

Cactus wren on a Saguaro cactus
Cactus wren on a Saguaro cactus
  • ... that the cactus wren builds football-shaped nests in spiny cholla and saguaro cactus to protect their young from predators? Source 1: , "Cactus wrens build nests that are the size and shape of a football with an opening at one end. They will build this nest (and many others) usually in cholla, but also in palo verde, acacias, saguaros, or the hanging pot in your backyard". Source 2"They build the nest 3–10 feet above the ground in a cholla, palo verde, acacia, mesquite, or other desert vegetation where the nest is surrounded by thorns", "The entrance is around 3.5 inches in diameter—large enough for the parents to squeeze in but small enough to keep most potential predators out."
    • ALT1:... that the cactus wren builds nests in spiny cholla and saguaro cactus to protect their young from predators?
    • ALT2:... that the cactus wren builds football-shaped nests in spiny cholla and saguaro cactus to protect their young from predators, but despite this the coachwhip snake can still prey on chicks? Using above sources, plus this: "Coachwhips and other whipsnakes are able to navigate their way through the cactus and often will take eggs or nestlings"

5x expanded by CaptainEek (talk). Self-nominated at 02:01, 17 February 2019 (UTC).

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