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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Contents

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
June 29 1
July 18 1
August 7 1 1
August 12 1 1
August 17 1
August 26 1
September 2 1
September 3 1
September 6 1 1
September 9 1
September 11 1
September 16 1
September 18 1 1
September 20 3 1
September 21 1
September 23 2 2
September 25 4 3
September 26 3 2
September 27 1 1
September 28 8 7
September 29 4 3
September 30 6 4
October 1 8 8
October 2 4 4
October 3 9 6
October 4 4 2
October 5 13 10
October 6 9 7
October 7 10 9
October 8 12 11
October 9 11 10
October 10 13 12
October 11 15 10
October 12 15 8
October 13 8 4
October 14 11 8
October 15 9 5
October 16 9 5
October 17 2 1
October 18 5 1
October 19 7 2
October 20 5 2
October 21 1 1
Total 225 153
Last updated 09:24, 21 October 2019 UTC
Current time is 09:24, 21 October 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


II.
Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]

Backlogged?[edit]

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on July 18[edit]

John A. Spizziri

  • ... that John A. Spizziri proposed allowing people to carry small amounts of prescription tranquilizers, after a man was arrested when Librium pills were found in a jacket that a dog had dragged away? "Arrest Of Patient Stirs Legislature" in The New York Times: "While on a visit in Wood‐Ridge on May 8, Mr. Schwam was carrying in an unmarked one‐inch green and brown vial ‘eight Librium capsules he had taken from a large bottle containing his monthly supply of 120 pills.... A neighborhood dog ran off with his denim jacket containing the vial. woman who later found the jacket but could not learn the owner's name took it to the police, who found the pills and arrested Mr. Schwam under a section ‐of the drug law that prohibits carrying dozens of types of pills and prescribed drugs in anything but the original, labled container provided by a pharmacist.... The new amendment, offered by Assemblyman John A. Spizziri, Republican of Franklin Lakes, would permit person with a legitimate need for a controlled drug to carry a two‐day supply of the pills or medication in any container")
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Alansohn: This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. I think the article is unbalanced. It has a large paragraph, more than half the article in fact, discussing a criminal justice-related incident in detail, all for the sake of mentioning that Spizziri made a proposal to amend the law. So, was the law changed? Did he do nothing else worthy of mention in his whole life? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, I'd prefer to be able to expand the article, but I'm facing challenges finding meaningful sources. A new subscription should help and the article will be updated appropriately. Alansohn (talk) 01:40, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Have you tried asking for help from resource exchanges or other pages like that? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Alansohn: If you're having difficulties with sourcing, maybe you can ask for help at WP:REX. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Narutolovehinata5, I have a request in to Wikipedia Library Card for newspaper subscriptions. It's very much in progress. Alansohn (talk) 00:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Alansohn: How are things going along so far? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:18, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Alansohn: I appreciate that you have been working hard on this article, but the nomination has been open since July and yet the sourcing issues have yet to be resolved. If this cannot be completed soon, then sadly there may be no option but to mark the nomination for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Narutolovehinata5, I've gained access to Newspaper Archives and Ebsco, and have continued my research, with no meaningful content to add. If you're willing to wait, that's great. If you're not, I believe that the content of the article stands on its own as meeting DYK standards and I hope that you will evaluate it on that basis. Alansohn (talk) 22:06, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Are you satisfied with Alansohn's explanation here, or are there still issues that need addressing? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:18, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Nothing seems to have been done to the article for the last two and a half months. Let's ask @Yoninah: what she thinks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:17, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg I read the article and see that that paragraph about the tranquilizers is completely WP:UNDUE and the rest of the article does not meet the 1500 character threshold. Marking for closure as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 11:49, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
@Alansohn: Will you be able to address the WP:UNDUE concerns raised by Yoninah? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:47, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for adding more about his career, Alansohn. But the issue of whether the legislation was adopted is still not answered, and frankly, this proposed legislation section is much longer and overwinded than the previous one-sentence paragraph which cites another piece of sponsored legislation. I think this paragraph should be pared down significantly and combined with the first one. Regarding the hook, the thrust leans more toward the dog than the bolded subject. A new hook is in order. Yoninah (talk) 12:30, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, thanks for the feedback. I will make the requested additions. Alansohn (talk) 12:52, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
@Alansohn: It has been over a week since your last comment here. Will you still be able to address the concerns here? This is currently the oldest open nomination, and there has been relatively little progress over the past few months. The nomination may need to be marked for closure if the remaining issues cannot be addressed in a prompt manner. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
@Alansohn: I see that you commented here about an hour ago but immediately reverted the edit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:32, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, through the Wikipedia Library, I have gained access to Ebsco resources and Newspaper Archive, neither of which have anyting meaningful to add about Spizziri. I just received approval for Newspaper.com, which I have strong reason to expect will be helpful; I will receive my access in the next week or two. I have repeatedly updated and expanded this article to address the issues raised and will continue to do so with the access gained via Newspapers.com. Alansohn (talk) 02:35, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Considering this nomination has been open since July (meaning this is the oldest currently active nomination), any remaining sourcing issues or expansion requirements have to be resolved by the end of the month if this is to pass. Otherwise, the nomination may have to be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:16, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 17[edit]

Cebu City Council

  • ... that the Cebu City Council sits at the Cebu City Hall and convenes its session in the Dona Eva Macaraeg-Macapagal Session Hall of the Cebu City Legislative Building (CCLB)? Source: "GMA inaugurates legislative building". The Freeman. 2008-07-25. Retrieved 2019-08-14.

Created by Emperork (talk). Self-nominated at 13:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Emperork, welcome back to DYK! As best I can tell, this is your third submission, the last two having been in late 2006, nearly thirteen years ago. Things have changed a bit since you were last here.
Nominations need to be made within seven days of an article's creation or fivefold expansion. You created the article back on July 3, over seven weeks ago, so it can't count as a new creation. Seven days takes us back to August 17; it was 1793 prose characters immediately prior to the expansion that started that day, so a 5x expansion would require 8965 prose characters; the article is currently 5966 prose characters, or 2999 short of a 5x expansion.
In addition, neither of the hooks you have proposed are sufficiently interesting per the DYK rules, which require a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and interesting to a broad audience.
Since it has been so long since you participated here at DYK, I think we can allow some leniency: prior to some additions on August 14, ten days before the nomination, the article was 1614 prose characters, which would require an expansion to 8070 prose characters only, or an additional 2104 (rather than 2999). I don't know whether that would be feasible, however.
Another change since your last DYK submission is that we now accept newly approved Good Articles, and I see that you've just nominated the article to be one. Should this nomination not succeed, but your GA nomination ultimately does, just nominate the new GA here within seven days; there are no expansion requirements for GAs.
Please let me know if you have any questions, and how you would like to proceed. Thanks again for submitting to DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for the insight. I am currently expanding the article. Can I also change the hooks or maybe add in this nomination? Emperork (talk) 22:25, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
The article has now 9,672 characters. Hope you can recheck. Thanks! Emperork (talk) 01:15, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I would also have to note that some paragraphs don't have a reference, such as in the membership section. As a Filipino myself, I don't think any of the hooks would appeal to those unfamiliar with Philippine politics, so a new hook is likely needed. I tried thinking of some but none come to mind right now; I'll comment back if I think of anything. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:22, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2, with some tweaking, might be interesting, as cock fighting is illegal in many parts of the world, so it's not something that councils in the UK, US or Australia, for example, would pass ordinances about. RebeccaGreen (talk)
There's probably a better wording to use than "cockfighting venues" (I'd use cockpits, but that language might not be clear to those unfamiliar with cockfighting). I'd also strongly recommend that this go through WP:GOCE/R too as I think the article's wording still needs a lot of work. Any thoughts on these @RebeccaGreen:? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:53, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
@Emperork: Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:54, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
The alternative ALT2 wording seems fine with me. - Emperork (talk) 14:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Pinging RebeccaGreen to give this another look. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, Emperork: ALT2a wording seems fine to me. I agree that the meaning of "cockpits" in this context would not be clear to many readers. As this article hasn't been reviewed apart from consideration of its newness and length, it needs a full review, but if a WP:GOCE/R hasn't been requested yet, I guess that should happen first. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Already submitted this to WP:GOCE/R for review. - Emperork (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
The GOCER is happening now, so we should be able to move into reviewing this very soon! RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Emperork, as the GOCER has been completed, I have started reviewing this article. I notice some information that requires sources. Some sections are well sourced, and some still need sources.

  • In the first para of Membership, I don't see a source for when the elections are held, "on the first Monday of May every third year".
  • In the 2019-2022 membership table, please add citations to the sources which give the councilors names and parties (these exist in the article, but aren't cited here yet). Do you have sources for which number their term is? and for their barangay of registration? I didn't see that information in the sources which name the councilors.

I am still reading the article, so I will let you know if I see other sourcing issues - I think these are the main ones. Regards, RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:03, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Sure. Working on it now RebeccaGreen. — Emperork (talk) 10:23, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Done citing sources on first and second points except for the barangay of registration. I actually lifted that info from the voters' registration roll. It's actually a document not available in public but are made available by the Commission on Elections upon request or during election period. Any idea how we can cite it as sources? — Emperork (talk) 11:03, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
A source doesn't need to be online. You can cite it as you would a hardcopy book, eg by the name of the source - from [1], it looks like they're called 'Book of Registered Voters', probably specified by the location covered - with the date and the publisher (Republic of the Philippines Commission On Elections, I presume). Enough information that will enable a reader to locate the same source themselves (if they went through the same process you did to request it). RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:27, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
OK will work on this one. Will have to pull up those PDF files I've got and put the citation on it. Thanks so much for the help! — Emperork (talk) 12:39, 10 October 2019 (UTC)


Policy compliance:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Per BlueMoonset's comment above, the newness and length of the article are based on a five-fold expansion from 1614 prose characters on August 14, ten days before the nomination. The article now has 8563 characters, which is above the required 8070 characters.

I have struck the hooks which have already been considered uninteresting. ALT2 has been replaced by ALT2a, which is sourced and of general interest. Striking ALT3 as the source only says that the mayor, vice-mayor and 12 councilors were suspended, and 2 remaining councilors were appointed acting mayor and acting vice-mayor. It doesn't say anything about 3 other remaining councilors. ALT4 is not interesting to a broad audience, I don't think.
A QPQ is not needed, as the nominator has only one DYK credit.

The article has sufficient sourcing except in the table showing 2019-2022 membership, which still has no sourcing for the 'Barangay of registration' column, nor for the number of terms councilors have served and their start and end dates. Emperork, if this information can't easily be sourced, I suggest deleting it now and replacing it when sourcing is available (it will remain in the article's history, so you would be able to copy and paste it later on). I will be able to complete this review when this issue is resolved. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 26[edit]

Hermann Oestrich

  • Reviewed: Roman temple of Bziza
  • Comment: Sorry, I missed by a few days, being busy in real life and this not "my" article.

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and I'm using WP:IAR for being a few days late. The hook is directly cited and a QPQ has been completed. I assume good faith on the references that I can't access. There is a citation needed tag that needs to be taken care of. SL93 (talk) 18:40, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
I added a reference. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you. SL93 (talk) 19:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but did not see the hook fact in the article. Please review my edit and confirm that this is what it says in the book, which I am unable to view. We have two articles, Snecma Atar and SNECMA Atar 101, both of which mention Oestrich. Yoninah (talk) 00:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: @Dr. Blofeld:. SL93 (talk) 04:40, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for catching that, Yoninah. I also can't see the book, but this seems the correct article. (Why do we have 2?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:05, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Having tried to answer that question, I am not so sure any more. The article you inserted is a specific type, while the general article describes the whole development (vs. one specific engine), which may be what he was honoured for. Dr. Blofeld? If this is the case:
ALT1* ... that the German engineer Hermann Oestrich became a Knight of the Legion of Honour for developing the Snecma Atar turbines?
Anyway, someone with knowledge should unify if it's Snecma or SNECMA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
A drive-by comment, but the article on the company (which is now known as Safran) suggest that it's "Snecma", though I've seen both forms in common use online. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:26, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Same for me, that's why I asked. It may also have been changed over time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, originally SNECMA, for Société nationale d'études et de construction de moteurs d'aviation similar to the other nationalised aircraft conglomerates like SNCASE and SNCASO.Petebutt (talk) 06:29, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: I'm not sure what happened, but SNECMA Atar 101 was originally created as a redirect to Snecma Atar. Snecma Atar was created in 2005 and the new article from a redirect was in 2013. SL93 (talk) 20:34, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Pinging editor that created the article over a redirect - @Petebutt: SL93 (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
The ATAR 101 was the first engine produced by ATAR / SNECMA. The later ATAR 8 and ATAR 9 were similar looking, but actually almost completely different designs. The SNECMA ATAR article would sensibly concentrt\ate om the later SNECMA derivatives:- the ATAR 8 and ATAR 9. I just didn't get around to it.--Petebutt (talk) 06:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
It looks like you'd say SNECMA, not Snecma, which was the question, - thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I haven't been able to understand this discussion. Gerda, Dr. Blofeld, could you please update the article and provide a workable hook for us? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • We don't know for what exactly he was knighted, and we don't know if they who honoured him knew, so there's a dilemma. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The French wiki states the he was awarded the distinction for "services rendus" (for services provided). This is the common criteria in France to allow foreigners or French people to get the distinction for the help they provided to the country which is obviously the case for our man. LouisAlain (talk) 12:52, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm talking about the SNECMA designations. Where I left the ALT1 hook, it was a piped link to: [[Snecma Atar|developing the Snecma Atar turbines]]. I noted that we have two different articles mentioning Oestrich, Snecma Atar and SNECMA Atar 101. Which should be in the piped link? Currently the page states: ''For his services to the development of the [[SNECMA Atar 101]] turbojet engine, he was awarded [[Knight of the Legion of Honor]] in 1962.'' Yoninah (talk) 18:51, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I know what we have but I don't know what the (French) source says, so I don't know if the specific (first) engine 101 or the whole concept. It may be ambiguous or uncertain to begin with. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: I understand. So please suggest a different hook that we can verify. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • On my way out until Monday - see my talk. A different hook won't help us for the article where we have the same problem. Does it really matter if for one engine or the program, in the end? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I have found and added the article in the issue of L'Express which is not viewable on Google Books, but which the website of L'Express has online [2]. I also found and added another source for the award of the Légion d'honneur [3]. Neither says specifically what it was awarded for. Both say that he was technical director of Snecma and directed/oversaw development of ATAR engines (plural). L'Express does talk about Atar 101, but also mentions Atar 9 (tested in 1957, according to Snecma Atar, so certainly while Oestrich was technical director). I have edited the article to say "For his services at Snecma overseeing the development of Snecma Atar turbojet engines, he was awarded Knight of the Legion of Honor ..", and added a link to Atar 101 in the para above that, where it says "Oestrich and his team worked on the further development of the Atar 101." I think ALT1 is accurate. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:56, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, that looks like a lovely solution! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: When you have a moment, you may like to look at the sources I added and the edit I made in the article, as I noted in the comment just above Gerda's. If it's still not adequate for ALT1, I'll be happy to help think of more hooks. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:54, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
By coincidence, I also just got new sources, wait a minute or ten. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:30, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Unless someone who knows French better wants to add [4], "Oestrich pour les moteurs à réaction à la Snecma (voir l'encadré page 130)" - that's obviously a plural, "moteurs". LouisAlain? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • You're right, it's a plural; the company didn't build one single engine. LouisAlain (talk) 12:52, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Much more specific about our man: [5]. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The second source you found, "La folle histoire du Dr Oestrich" is one I have already added. I will check the first you found - yes, "les moteurs" is definitely plural. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:46, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
OK, having looked, I don't think we need to add the first source, as the second source is the one the first tells us to look at, I think. We don't see it as a box, and we don't see the page numbers, but "La folle histoire" is all about Dr Oestrich and his jet engines at Snecma, and appeared on the same date in the same paper as "Comment la France a recruté des savants de Hitler". RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:51, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
That's great, thank you! I was kind of blind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 2[edit]

2019 Chungju World Martial Arts Masterships

* ... that the 2019 Chungju World Martial Arts Masterships feature 3,119 martial artists from 106 countries who compete in 20 different martial arts areas over 275 medals? [1] :* ALT1: ... that the 2019 Chungju World Martial Arts Masterships is the largest international martial arts competition to date? [2]

Created by Taewangkorea (talk). Self-nominated at 12:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Taewangkorea: While DYK requirements appear to be met (with the full review to follow soon), I have some reservations about the hook. Specifically, while those numbers are impressive and arguably interesting, I'm not sure if it's unique enough since as far as I can tell several sporting events have similar numbers of events and participants. We could still go with it if nothing else can be suggested, but for now it might be a good idea to try thinking of other alternative options. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:30, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Is there a source that talks about this being the most participated martial arts event? Sheer numbers mean very little. 3,000 could be a very small number for participant at an event. Is there anything particularly notable for a regular reader here? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
@Lee Vilenski and Narutolovehinata5: Perhaps ALT1? Taewangkorea (talk) 17:48, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
I suppose ALT1 is more promising, but the Korean source provided (based on Google Translate) seems to be vague on whether or not it was the biggest to date, or simply the biggest this year or the biggest iteration of the WMA Masterships. More importantly, the article seems to have a promotional tone and in some parts (such as in section two) reads more like an advertisement than a Wikipedia article. The article would thus need to be rewritten to tone down the writing. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:21, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have rewritten quite a bit of the article, including the 2nd section, so that it would be less promotional. As for the Korean sourcing, the source for ALT1 says that it is the biggest to date, but Google translate makes it really more vague. If you do not think that this would be enough, I have attached an ALT2 with a source that is more clear through Google Translate (but I still prefer ALT1). Thanks, Taewangkorea (talk) 05:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I think ALT1 is more accurate since if I recall correctly there are also other international martial arts tournaments, if not general then at least for specific sports. The article looks better now, but I was wondering if a separate article could be written for the WMAM as a whole since a large chunk of the article (i.e. the first section) discusses the tournament as a whole more than this specific 2019 iteration. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Ok. I have crossed out ALT2 now. Do you think the article on the world martial arts masterships in general would be part of the review? It is because as I have several (~3) articles to create on my to do list (If creating said article would be part of the review, I could create it first) Taewangkorea (talk) 04:42, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
It's an optional step and the nomination can still pass without it being done, I just found it strange that almost half of the article seems to discuss the tournament's history as a whole instead of just the 2019 event. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:43, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I will try to create such an article in the future after completing my current drafts I am writing. Is there any concerns with the requirements for DYK that you see? Taewangkorea (talk) 04:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: i.e. Do you think it is good to go for DYK? Taewangkorea (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
The second section could probably still be tweaked further to make it sound less promotional. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:46, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I am kind of stuck. Could you provide some advice on how to make it more neutral? Taewangkorea (talk) 21:24, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
As a start, I'd suggest rewriting the part that goes Korean cultural experience sessions available for the competitors before and during the mastership have been held. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have replaced that part with another piece of info from the same source. Anything else? Taewangkorea (talk) 20:32, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── The History section is a bit confusing. Is this part talking about world combat masterships as a whole, or just the one for Chungju? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I intended it to provide a background leading up for the Chungju masterships. Taewangkorea (talk) 20:26, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
If that's the case, I wonder if it might be a better idea (for now) to rewrite the article into being on the Chungju masterships as a whole (and do the appropriate article move) while keeping the other section as one focusing on 2019. Because right now, despite the article title, it seems to be more about the masterships as a whole instead of specifically the 2019 event. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:52, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have done that, and did the appropriate move. I also added some stuff on the 2016 competition in the article for the World Martial Arts Masterships. I have also changed the hook to ALT3 to reflect the change. Taewangkorea (talk) 01:08, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm almost ready to review the article, but reading through the news article translation, it appears to be a press release of some kind? I understand that the article is by (or at least published by) Yonhap, but considering the tone, I wonder if a second independent source for the statement could be found. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:13, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Pinging -revi for feedback as they're a native Korean speaker and may be able to help out in other aspects. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:05, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
    It would be ideal if nom can find additional citations supporting the arguments but it doesn't look like a verbatim press release per se (there are other sources that just posted the press release) so if they can't find it I think it would be fine. — regards, Revi 10:16, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I tries to look for reliable sources that sound less promotional while containing similar stuff, but I was not able to find it. I guess this will be fine as revi said? Taewangkorea (talk) 00:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Normally I would, but due to the source article having a somewhat promotional tone (regardless of whether or not it's promotional), I'm not really comfortable with totally saying yes. Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I'd like to hear second opinions from other editors on the source's suitability first (I'll follow with the full article review later). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
In addition, the "Background" section may still need to be copyedited a bit, to clarify that the Chungju masterships and the World Combat Games are two separate events, and that the start was referring to the WCG. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have done a bit of a copyedit and I also posted info about the discussion in the DYK talk page to seek others' opinions. Hope this will attract some people. Taewangkorea (talk) 04:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@Taewangkorea and Narutolovehinata5: I think it would be useful to include some English-language sources in the article. Per WP:NONENG, "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance." A Google News search on "2019 Chungju World Martial Arts Masterships" shows over 250 results, although perhaps only the first 4 pages are genuine results (eg, not just finding the phrase as a headline). They are not all in English, but many are. I noticed some sources found through a quick general Google search including the word 'largest' that say either the 2016 masterships were the largest, or the 2019 is/was, but they do seem to be either not independent or rather promotional. You may find others, though. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:33, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5 and RebeccaGreen: I think that a lot of the English sources are less independent and reliable than the Korean sources, which is why I used the Korean source. Additionally, the Korean source from Yonhap is the only source describing that the 2019 masterships were the largest, which I think is the most interesting. Also, sorry for my late reply-I was quite busy with a lot of stuff Taewangkorea (talk) 16:54, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Article is long enough, new enough, and adequately sourced. The article issues that have been raised in the article have mostly been resolved, although the wording in the "Background" section could still be worked on further. No close paraphrasing was found. ALT3 is sourced and I am assuming good faith for the Korean source. No QPQ needed for editor with less than five DYK credits. As I still have some reservations about the the reliability of the Korean source (as per my comments above), I am requesting another editor to sign this off. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

References

Articles created/expanded on September 3[edit]

Madara Uchiha

  • ... that the article Madara Uchiha was created on 3rd September, 2019 through Article for Creation.

Created by AbhiMukh97 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Firstly, the hook proposed is unsuitable as it does not give an interesting fact about the subject. Secondly, there is currently a cleanup template in the article, which will need to be resolved before this can be approved for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I revised the reception a bit and thought about this:
  • Did you know that while Madara Uchiha is one of the final antagonists of Naruto he does not make his first appearance until the final arc?
  • Did you know that Madara Uchiha has been impersonated by Obito Uchiha for most of his appearances in Naruto?
  • ... that Madara Uchiha's surprising debut in the series confused his own English voice actor Neil Kaplan about how should he handle his characterization? "GAMRs Ep 11 Extras - Optimoose Kaplan: Pre-show banter". Gamr. Retrieved August 31, 2019.

@Narutolovehinata5:

The hook still sounds a bit niche and might not appeal so much to those unfamiliar with anime. Maybe something else could be proposed here? Possible suggestions could include how he was created as part of an effort to create characters that could "resolve conflicts as opposed to killing each other", or maybe something about the reception he received? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Some of the facts that I found interesting about Madara are:

  • He lived around 120 years before his official death in the manga.
  • Despite being a sage mode user, he is not listed as one in the databooks.
  • While reviving Madara, Kishimoto himself became confused about the difference between impure world reincarnation and Rinne-rebirth.
  • Edo Madara is introduced in series to give Naruto, someone to beat.
  • According to Mangaka Kishimoto, Madara is a character without weakness.

AbhiMukh97(Speak)(Contribs) 02:09, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

All of these facts are in-universe facts, meaning they deal with the plot of Naruto. However, here at DYK, it is required that hooks about characters need to be about the real world, meaning that generally, hooks can't be about events that take place in the Naruto series. Perhaps Tintor2 can better explain it than I can, but none of those suggestions can be used I'm afraid. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:24, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

What about this:

  • Unlike other shonen manga, Naruto resolves conflicts as opposed to killing each other, setting their differences aside. Many of the Naruto fans complained about this. Edo Madara is introduced in series to give Naruto someone to beat.

AbhiMukh97(Speak)(Contribs) 02:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

@AbhiMukh97: That kinda works but it needs to be written from a perspective common readers who might not know the series. For example, "Madara Uchiha was introduced as a strong villain who could not settle his differeces with the main characters in contrast to previous antagonists?"Tintor2 (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

  • I would also suggest that a copyedit for the article be requested at WP:GOCE/R since right now the article is a bit hard to read for people who aren't familiar with Naruto. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:02, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, my requests are busy with Kogami's and Dazai's article to make one for Madara.Tintor2 (talk) 20:05, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I've requested that this be given a copyedit at WP:GOCE/R; the review should probably be put on hold until that is accomplished. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:51, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The copyedit has been done and the article is ready for a second look. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 9[edit]

Uwe Wolf (musicologist)

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:07, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I think the hook has potential, particularly the one on the Bach Digital mention. Maybe the hook could be rewritten to focus on that instead? It sounds kind of interesting that there is a digital archive for Bach being made, although the article doesn't really go into much detail as to what Wolf's involvement was (other than the website). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:20, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • When I wrote the hook I thought we had an article on the archive, but it's a rather poor redirect, so I think that without an article, I won't go further. The archive is the best source for Bach, just look at any better article o his works. Will you replace the redirect. I'm travelling, and my talk is flooded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
QPQ still needed. How about a general interest hook: Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:30, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that musicologist Uwe Wolf can scientifically distinguish between notes written on the score of his Mass in B minor by Johann Sebastian Bach from those written by his son?
That sounds interesting, although it might be more accurate to say that he "conducted research" on distinguishing instead of saying that "he can distinguish". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:33, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but everybody "can", using the same method. He "did" it. Links to the work and at least the son, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:03, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed on this nomination. If the reviewer has issues with the hooks, then further work can be done on them, but time to concentrate on the other DYK criteria. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Article appears to meet DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, and I was able to confirm that the information for ALT1, which is cited inline, is in the source provided. A QPQ is still needed. In addition, I would suggest a revision to ALT1, which I am posting below (it could still probably be rephrased; as I introduced the "X-ray" part, another editor may be needed to sign it off) : Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:05, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

This would get difficulties with ERRORS because it also concerned text, not only notes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Page from Bach's Credo, revised by C. P. E. Bach
Page from Bach's Credo, revised by C. P. E. Bach
If we go that way, we should have this image with it, in hook and article, to show how hard it is. I'm travelling, so would take time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Fleet Review (Japan). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi Gerda Arendt, Narutolovehinata5, it might be possible to avoid implied errors by saying "musical and textual notes", perhaps? Then, I think "Johann Sebastian Bach" could be shortened to "J S Bach" (a very common way of referring to him), with some other possible ways of shortening the hook in ALT4:
RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Note: I've adjusted ALT3 and ALT4 to conform to MOS:INITIALS (period after each initial, and non-breaking space between them), which has increased the length of both hooks by two characters (also adjusted). BlueMoonset (talk) 20:29, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but makes it ambiguous, because an innocent reader would think it's the difference between musical and textual notes. How is this:
ALT5: ... that musicologist Uwe Wolf conducted X-ray research to distinguish J. S. Bach's writing in the score of his Mass in B minor from changes made by his son Carl Philipp Emanuel (revised page pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't know about innocent readers (readers who don't know the difference between musical and textual notes, and that you don't need X-ray to distinguish them?), but only someone who didn't read to the end of the hook could think it was ambiguous. ALTs 3 and 4 don't say just "to distinguish between [musical] and [textual] notes", they say "to distinguish between [musical and textual notes made by J. S. Bach on the score of his Mass in B minor ] from [those made by his son ]". But whatever. ALT5 has the advantage of being shorter, at 170 characters, and would be even shorter (154) if "his son" was a piped link still. RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:51, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
I'd pipe the son if he had only one, but he had several who became composrs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 11[edit]

Shinoridate

Created by Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is adequately sourced, the hook checks out from the source (both here and on the article), the article is new and long enough. The article appears to fully comply with policy and the hook is of decent length and quality. I did fix the minor issue of you having an extra row on a table. NoahTalk 02:28, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg @Hurricane Noah: @Maculosae tegmine lyncis: unfortunately I've had to pull this one from the queue due to a possible lack of sourcing, following discussion at WP:ERRORS. The source appears to say the second event was a sacking by the Ainu but it's unclear whether the first sacking was they. Hopefully we can resolve this or come up with an alternative hook, then re-promote.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:01, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

  • I'm also wondering if Shinori Fort is the correct title because I can't find any verification of such a name. SL93 (talk) 19:12, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I’m not sure if I should respond here or on the main page errors (or hopefully otherwise..), so both: the 1457 event, as linked in the article, is Koshamain’s war, where the participating Ainu sacked ten of the twelve forts, also, the two refs by the map, with “fort” used in the English source, and the ten identified in the Japanese, including that of Shinori; as for the Ainu or just Ainu, Japanese doesn’t have articles, definite or otherwise, while quite a few Ainu appear to have been acting in unison, it wasn’t necessarily all etc, and having the in the hook in isolation makes the Ainu peoples sound a bit monolithic, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

PS Wiktionary:館, Japanese etymology 2, says tate/date is a fort or small castle, and the photo would seem to concur! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 16[edit]

Venezuelan cinema in the 1890s

The dentist operates in an 1897 short film
The dentist operates in an 1897 short film

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 08:46, 16 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svgThe article is long enough and new enough with no copyright violations. I assume good faith on the references that I can't read. The image is in the public domain. A QPQ has been completed. The image isn't in the article. ALT0 is not in the article. For ALT1, proto-horror would need to be referenced. I don't see ALT3 in the article. The only workable hooks right now are ALT2 and ALT4, but those aren't the most interesting hooks. The information for the hooks can't just be in similar articles and they must be in the nominated article. SL93 (talk) 01:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Alt 3 is in the article, near the bottom of the Themes section. I can add the ref for Alt 1. Kingsif (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif: That section states that there were few of such films to show medical practices, but it doesn't explicitly state anything about being one of the few such films "showing a medical procedure". Medical practices is a broad term. SL93 (talk) 19:29, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I wanna say "what?" but after re-reading, I think your objection is that the article says 'practices' and the hook says 'procedures'? In essence, serving as synonyms based on what fits most fluidly in each sentence. If the other hooks are good, though, I don't think defending alt 3 over semantics is necessary. Kingsif (talk) 20:06, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif: It's more than semantics. At least in the United States, medical practices would refer to the facilities that provide healthcare. My point is that practice (someone doing something, such as the practice of medicine or law) is different from a procedure. SL93 (talk) 20:52, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) By your definition, 'practicing medicine' = 'performing medical procedures'. They both mean 'doing medical stuff', formally, no? But, for the point I think the original comment couldn't quite make: would you like me to change the word in the article? Kingsif (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • True, but it's more than semantics and more so the meaning of the words. The article doesn't say "practicing medicine" at the moment. You can change the word if you want a 4th hook approved. SL93 (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg I'm approving ALT1 ALT2, or ALT4 (without the picture). SL93 (talk) 20:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg @Kingsif: I've pulled and reopened this one, per recommendation by the reviewer, SL93, which was made here. You can resolve any issues here and it can be promoted back if reapproved. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 21:51, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

  • @Amakuru: Though The promoted hook just seems to have some confusion, there were others approved, couldn’t one of those just be subbed in? Kingsif (talk) 21:59, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
    @Kingsif: Sorry to be a pain, and I didn't have time to look at ALT2 or ALT4 yesterday, but I have to say I think they need to be a bit more directly stated and sourced in the article. ALT2 says scholars disagree on whether the influence was French or American, but the section in question simply mentions various scholars mentioning those nationalities as influences, but without saying that they actually disagree on the matter. The guys saying it's French-influenced might not disagree with the points made by those saying it's American-influenced, and vice versa. To say they disagree needs a bit more solid sourcing IMHO. On ALT4, the article mentions three films that were possibly shown before Alegoría sobre la doctrina de Monroe and, although they're marked as "dubious", I don't know if that's enough to categorically say that Allegoria was the first... @SL93: what do you think ?  — Amakuru (talk) 10:06, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Amakuru: Maybe changing ALT4 to among the first? Though I think that it makes it less interesting. SL93 (talk) 14:14, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Kingsif, just an idea: could you add a column called something like 'Subject' or 'Theme' or 'Plot' to the table 'National films', and give a summary of what each film is about? (with sources, of course) Then you would have the info needed for the original hook in the article. You could also include the dentist image in the article, say next to the para starting "A distinctly Latin American identity ..." - both that para and the one above mention that film. (I would suggest lightening the image, though - it is rather dark and hard to see.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @RebeccaGreen: Yeah, I could do that with the table. I'm not sure about the image, adding it might make the article be a bit image-heavy for its length (but thanks for the suggestion on where it could fit). Kingsif (talk) 14:06, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 20[edit]

Isla dela Victoria

Created by Emperork (talk). Self-nominated at 15:09, 23 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. There is close paraphrasing from one source; please rewrite it in your own words or put it in quotes:
  • Source: the petition for the declaration of nullity and issuance of 72-hour temporary restraining order and/or Writ of Preliminary Injunction against the project.
  • Article: a petition for the declaration of nullity and issuance of 72-hour TRO and/or writ of preliminary injunction against the project filed by then city councilors
  • The hooks are statements of fact, not hooks. Why not start with the fact, ... that Isla dela Victoria, a 25 billion-integrated resort and casino facility currently under construction in Kawit Island, Cebu City, Philippines, and then add a hooky fact? (You could delete the word "currently" to save characters.) Image in article is fair use. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 22:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I would also suggest that the article be given a copy-edit as right now it can be difficult to read. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Per Yoninah's recommendation, I already revised the text on the article so that it would not be much in verbatim with the source. Added 1 alt hook, not sure if this would be interesting enough. — Emperork (talk) 15:52, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I went over the whole article, editing and reducing overlinking. I also tagged the article for excessive and extraneous detail; that expansion that you did on 24 September in the History section reads like a transcript of a City Council meeting. All the back and forth could be summarized in one or two paragraphs. Also be aware that neutrality must be maintained at all times. Since the page is purportedly about the resort project, please focus on that. Yoninah (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • As the nomination has been open since last month and it appears that there has been no action in weeks, a copyedit may be needed for the nomination to move forward. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:54, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
I've requested a copyedit over at WP:GOCE/R; reviews can proceed once that has been completed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:56, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Bengal famine of 1943

  • ... that after the Bengal famine of 1943 was denied by authorities, reports with images of the victims (example pictured) in the English-language paper The Statesman made it known internationally? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Springs Mills Building
  • Comment: Unusual article, unusual nomination. Please wait with a review until GAR is over. Many more contributors should be mentioned. Reading is tough.

Improved to Good Article status by Lingzhi2 (talk) and Fowler&fowler (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 06:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • I'm sorry Gerda Arendt, I don't see how this meets the criteria. The article was promoted to GA status over 10 days ago. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 18:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Did you even see the discussion on dyktalk? Or know about IAR. I saw this only yesterday, - how could I possibly nominate it in time? It took me additional time to at least read it. I think we may have to change our rules for nominating someone else's work. BlueMoonset, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • From the talk, by Lingzhi2: ALT1: ... that because the word famine was censored in India, The Statesman simply ran a photo of the victims of the Bengal famine of 1943, informing not only India but the rest of the world of the tragedy? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Bengal famine of 1943 was immediately sent to GAR upon promotion to GA, because of an out-of-process reversion of the promotion, which was in fact done by someone who didn't oppose promotion but thought the review was far too surface. The the GAR continued to attract constructive comments from the GAR reviewer Vami IV even after that review was technically closed. it would be very difficult to choose which of three points was the actual finish of GA process. My apologies! I thought the GAR was closed a while back, but I was mistaken. I somehow misinterpreted the situation. Now it officially has been closed Please reconsider accepting the DYK nom... and may I suggest reading the "Alt text" option, which is a bit more accurate...  ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 00:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Destitute mother and child, in Bengal Speaks, 1943
Destitute mother and child, in Bengal Speaks, 1943

Sigh. The image is regarded as "fair use". With another one:

  • ALT1... that after the Bengal famine of 1943 was denied by authorities, reports with images of the victims (example pictured) in English-language papers made it known internationally? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
The Rambling Man, you are welcome to review this, it needs a reviewer with courage (nothing for the faint-hearted), and I think you are not prohibited because the comments so far had only to do with the late nomination date. If not sure, you could offer a review somewhere, which could be summarized here, perhaps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 21[edit]

Alois Ickstadt

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Today is his birthday ;)

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new, having been expanded fivefold only days prior to the nomination. It just about meets the minimum length criteria but it is impeccably sourced. I do not see any neutrality problems nor any close paraphrasing, as far as I can tell given the extent of my German skills. I am a bit concerned by the complexity of the hook. Is it not possible to propose a simpler one? QPQ is also missing. Surtsicna (talk) 10:30, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that Alois Ickstadt developed a concept for educating choral singers from childhood to adulthood on vocal training and general music knowledge?
@LouisAlain, Gerda Arendt, and Surtsicna: Would did or something in this direction be suitable? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but can we also say that he was a professor for decades, or that he founded a children's choir and an adult choir for a leading broadcaster, - it was not just a concept but realized. I am more impressed by the conductong over decades than just a concept. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed now, A Voyage Round the World --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @LouisAlain, Gerda Arendt, Surtsicna, and Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for asking - I hope my ability to come up with hooks for others is better than for my own articles! Taking Gerda's words in her last comment, this seems to me to convey the same information while sounding smoother than the original hook. It's quite long, but does convey his achievements, I think:
ALT2: ... that Alois Ickstadt, professor of music pedagogy in Frankfurt, founded a children's choir and an adult choir for the public broadcaster Hessischer Rundfunk, and conducted both from 1966 to 2011? (194 characters)
RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:49, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
It's a lot easier to read and conveys the message better, but at 194 characters, I feel it might not meet the discretionary limit (i.e. the point where even below 200 characters, reviewers may find it too long). Perhaps if there was a way to make it more concise it would work better. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Could we leave out the "professor of music pedagogy in Frankfurt"? That's what he was, one of many over time, I imagine. Founding and conducting the choirs is his unique achievement.
ALT2a: ... that Alois Ickstadt founded a children's choir and an adult choir for the public broadcaster Hessischer Rundfunk, and conducted both from 1966 to 2011? (151 characters)
Or, I would be tempted to say how long, rather than give the exact years (saves doing the maths!):
ALT2b: ... that Alois Ickstadt founded a children's choir and an adult choir for the public broadcaster Hessischer Rundfunk, and conducted both for forty-five years? (154 characters)
RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
We can leave out the professor, - I just thought it was a short way to hint at the pedagogical concept behind the 2 choirs. But as you wish. He conducted the children's choir for 50 years because he founded it sooner, but I wouldn't know how to say that without loosing conciseness. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 25[edit]

Renatus Mészár

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:01, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 26[edit]

Niamh McEvoy (St. Sylvester's Gaelic footballer), Niamh McEvoy (Parnells Gaelic footballer)

Created by Djln (talk). Self-nominated at 16:55, 26 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment Just a drive-by observation that the hook is well over the 200-character limit. Perhaps this would work?
Also, Djln, it's not clear if you are nominating both Niamh McEvoy articles? They are both new, and you have both in the header - if both are nominated, Niamh McEvoy (Parnells) should be bolded in the hook too. You seem to have only one DYK credit, so you don't need to review any other articles as QPQ. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:18, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
I had similar questions when I formatted the nomination. I formatted it as a double nom (although the Parnells article would require further expansion), but accidentally forgot to bold the second one. I've done it now, but it can be unDYKed if it can't be sufficiently expanded. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 00:31, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks to both editors above for their input. Both articles are new so I'm happy if either or both or nominated. Sorry, I didn't realise there was a 200-character limit. Djln Djln (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I have added a couple of sentences to the Lecturer/Coach section of the Parnells article, and have managed to get the character count up to 1587. So it is just long enough now. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't think the hooks need to include the actual team name of each Niamh McEvoy, and may even be more effective without them; here's ALT1a:
Note that there hasn't been a QPQ review done (and one is not needed, since there are only three previous DYK credits, one from 2018 and two from 2007, though with the fourth and fifth credits coming from this nomination's two articles, the next DYK nomination will require one); while Djln has worked on the 2010 All-Ireland Senior Ladies' Football Championship Final article, it has not been nominated for DYK (and therefore never reviewed), and is too short and too old to qualify. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed of both articles now that the hook is set and both articles are long enough. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "McEvoy wary of test from the west". www.independent.ie. 14 September 2019. Retrieved 24 September 2019.
  2. ^ "TG4 All-Ireland Ladies senior football championship final". ladiesgaelic.ie. 29 September 2010. Retrieved 4 April 2018.

Articles created/expanded on September 28[edit]

Euryoryzomys russatus

  • ... populations of the russet rice rat have been shown to have a monogamous mating system?

Expanded/nominated by Desensi ashley (talk) at 14:03, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Note: this editor is new and created the template a few days outside the nomination window. There was a 5x expansion, though. Elysia (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:09, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 29[edit]

Harshat Mata Temple

Harshat Mata Temple entrance
Harshat Mata Temple entrance

Created by Gryffindor (talk). Nominated by Utcursch (talk) at 18:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is long / new enough, QPQ is done, images are licensed correctly, there are no obvious copyright violations, article is stable, uses reliable sources, and reads neutrally. The hook is cited, but I'm not too convinced it is "hooky" enough. Aren't many Hindu temples older than 1,000 years? There should be something more interesting about the temple than that. The article is very detailed so I'm sure something else can be proposed. Please ping me when alternate hooks are provided so I can review them.
In addition, I would suggest you expand the lead paragraph a bit more. At least 3–5 sentences. One sentence is cutting it too short and does not adequately summarize the article, per MOS:LEAD. MX () 21:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 30[edit]

Paul Schaap

  • ... that Paul Schaap is an unrecognised Dutch whistleblower?
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Epmdejong (talk). Self-nominated at 06:41, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm not really comfortable with this. The hook says "is an unrecognised whistleblower", but the lead says "He became well known as a whistleblower" and the body says "The judge handeling the whistleblower case of Schaap, concluded that Schaap couldn't get the status of a whistleblower." which is backed by the source. So calling him a whistleblower, unrecognised or not, is not actually correct. I am also concerned about the rule that says "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals or promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:23, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg The nominator has not edited since the day of the nomination and has been unable to respond to the initial review or to subsequent pings. Considering the article issues and how the nominator appears unlikely to return, it is with regret that the nomination is now marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:01, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Toki Pona

A symbol of the constructed language Toki Pona
A symbol of the constructed language Toki Pona
  • ... that Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language devised in 2001, uses only around 120–125 root words? Source 1: "Toki Pona has only 120 words" The Guardian, Source 2: "Toki Pona is the smallest language in the world. It is 123 words long" The Irish Times, Source 3: "Toki Pona only contains about 125 words" Still Hoping: The Relation of International Auxiliary Languages to Worldview and Perception
    • ALT1:... that one of the aims of Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language with around 120–125 root words, is to induce positive thinking? Source: "Toki Pona is a language exploring the Sapir – Whorf hypothesis, designed to encourage positive thoughts." The Routledge Linguistics Encyclopedia
    • ALT2:... that Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language with around 120–125 root words, has been used as a therapeutic method for eliminating negative thinking? Source: "Ms. Kisa, a linguist who is fluent in five languages, devised Toki Pona as a coping mechanism during a bout of depression. Her motive unintentionally had good theoretical grounding in what's called the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, which holds that language affects the way you think, how you see the world and how you behave. She finds that her pared-down language is useful when trying to work through a problem. Thinking in Toki Pona strips away confusion and superfluous fluff. 'It helps you see patterns, and how things are connected in different ways,' she says. Pekka Roponen, a psychiatrist at the central hospital of Hameenlinnan, in southern Finland, is taking this therapeutic methodology one step further. He is studying the language's usefulness in treating patients, having them keep track of their daily thoughts in Toki Pona. 'Classical languages can be used in your inner world to avoid something,' says Dr. Roponen, noting that the Finnish language is notoriously complex, and that the country's suicide and depression rates are among the world's highest. Toki Pona, he adds, 'is meant to focus on the positive, so negative thought patterns and cognitions can be transferred and eliminated by simply using the language.'" The Globe and Mail
    • ALT3:... that Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language devised in 2001, has only five root words for colours? Source: "Toki Pona has a five-color palette: loje (red), laso (blue), jelo (yellow), pimeja (black), and walo (white)." The Atlantic
    • ALT4:... that Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language with around 120–125 root words, once had its own Wikipedia? Source in Polish: "Wersje Wikipedii w językach klingońskim oraz toki pona zostały wycofane z tego serwisu i przeniesione na Fandom." English translation: "Wikipedia versions in Klingon and Toki Pona have been withdrawn from this site and moved to Fandom." Sztuczne języki wobec mediów społecznościowych

Improved to Good Article status by Ddrahoslav (talk). Self-nominated at 09:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC).

  • @RebeccaGreen: Just pinging you to see whether you're still interested in reviewing this nomination. Ddrahoslav (talk) 12:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi Ddrahoslav, yes, my apologies for the delay. I've just been finishing a couple of reviews from August! I'll get on to it now. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:17, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Ddrahoslav: One question I had was about the creator's name. In the intro para, it says "created by Canadian linguist and translator Sonja Lang", but both sources cited there name her as "Sonja Elen Kisa". I have just found a source [6] (published today!!) which says "The language was created by linguist Sonja Lang (née Elen Kisa)". I suggest that you include her former name in the intro para or the 'Purpose' para, citing this source (or another one, if you have one that links both her names). RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:30, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi again Ddrahoslav, glad you like it! Thanks for adding it. I am reading through the article and the sources, and looking at which parts are unreferenced. One of the rules of DYK is "The article in general should use inline, cited sources. A rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph". I am also aware that some editors who review and promote articles at DYK like to see a citation at the end of each paragraph, not just within the para (which is not necessarily the same as at GA review, nor at Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue - rather confusing). So, to head off queries at later stages, here are a few places I have noticed where either a paragraph does not have a reference, or there is no reference at the end of the paragraph:
  •  Done In 'Etymology', the sentence ends "ultimately from Latin bonus". While the source says that pona is from Esperanto, it doesn't include the info that the Esperanto word is ultimately from Latin (and I haven't found a source that says exactly that). I suggest that you could just delete "ultimately from Latin bonus" - some readers will be aware of that, some won't, but all the source says is that Esperanto is the immediate source, and that is enough here. (I have just looked at the GA review, and I see that a reviewer there said "You don't have to add a reference when you are stating the obvious (for example, that Esperanto bona ultimately comes from Latin bonus)." We could leave it and see, I guess - my feeling is that it would not be obvious to the general reader, and so should have a source for DYK.
  • This claim once had sources tagged unreliable which I deleted here upon the comment you are referring to. I have to say I'm not sure how to handle this and the rest of the comments. I do appreciate your work on this, though, and understand your concerns. As you suggested, there is a bit of a clash between GA and DYK requirements concerning the citations. Indeed, I deleted some of the unreferenced claims you are talking about but they have been reverted as the reviewer seems to hold the view (and I stand up for them) that it's better to have the info unreferenced, where not absolutely necessary for GA, than not having it mentioned at all. Please see my comments to each point, I'm open to suggestions. Ddrahoslav (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for these links to earlier versions. DYK rules say that it's OK to link to a Wiktionary definition, so I think a reference to Wiktionary for something like the etymology of Esperanto bona should be OK. I've added that reference back in. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:35, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • That's great, thanks for that. Ddrahoslav (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done In 'Purpose', the first para ends "with several objectives in mind". There is a citation just before that, but not for that phrase. If you have one, could you add it, please? Otherwise, could you perhaps delete that phrase and edit the first part of the sentence to read something like "Sonja Lang (née Elen Kisa) started developing Toki Pona as a way of simplifying her thoughts during depression."
  • ? The para about the Yahoo group has no source.
  • This claim was deleted during the GA review by me. Later on, an editor reverted it here (with which I don't disagree). There exists no supporting source for this to my knowledge. Am I supposed to delete it yet again? I wouldn't like to cause a dispute by deleting reverted edits. Ddrahoslav (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • In general, secondary sources are required to demonstrate notability, and also because Wikipedia doesn't present original research, but reflects what others have published about subjects. Once notability is demonstrated, some primary sources can be used to provide verification of information, although the policy does say "primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia". The archived Yahoo groups webpage verifies that a Toki Pona group existed and was closed. But including that information may be considered original research, though, if there is no secondary source. What was your source of the information? RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:35, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Okay, this claim wasn't added by me so I can't tell you what the source for it was. I guess it was original research basically. I've managed to find and add one source, although I'm not certain if it stands as reliable and if it sufficiently covers the claim. Ddrahoslav (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi Ddrahoslav, thanks for the explanation (which I could probably find if I went right through the edit history!) The source you've added appears to be a blog, and in general, blogs are not regarded as reliable (blogs associated with museums etc may be). I have a suggestion: what about moving the information about the Yahoo group, and the Toki Pona Wikipedia, from History to Community? So go from "It quickly gained popularity" straight to "From 2002 to 2009, members of the group discussed the language with one another ..." (Did they stop discussing the language in 2009?? Do we need start and end dates?)
I'd suggest moving the Yahoo and Wikipedia info to after "Users of the language are spread out across multiple platforms." in the Community section, as they are examples of platforms. You could say something brief there like "A Yahoo group existed from about 2002-2009, when it moved to a forum on a phpBB site. For a short time there was a Wikipedia written in Toki Pona (called "Wikipesija"). It was closed in 2004 and moved to Wikia." Use the references that are there - although either not independent or not reliable, they provide some verification, and if more reliable independent sources are found, they could be replaced. Zorrilla also mentions WhatsApp and Twitter, so perhaps you could mention them in that para too. Then, the info would be within a para which has several references, including a final one. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done In 'Allophony', the last para has one reference, which is about Korean, so is not a source for "Both its sound inventory and phonotactics are compatible with the majority of human languages, and are therefore readily accessible." or for "which is convenient when writing Toki Pona in alternative scripts". Are you able to add citations for the first sentence and the end of the second sentence, please?
  • Again, these claims were deleted during the GA review and reverted by the reviewer here. If I had found sources for these, I wouldn't have deleted them. Ddrahoslav (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • OK, I'll have another look at this and the other sections - you never know what's been published since then, as with that Irish Times article! RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:35, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Some further thoughts on this: I have added a source for the first sentence of the last para. I'm not sure that this sentence really relates to Allophony, though. What would you think about moving the sentence to be the last sentence of the paragraph in Inventory? Then, I would suggest deleting the sentence about the impossible syllables in Korean, and the convenience when writing Toki Pona in other scripts. Again, this is not really relevant to Allophony, and also, in the section on Writing systems just below this, you say that other scripts including Korean hangul are rarely used. So I don't think the article would lose useful information by not having this sentence. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I completely agree with you. I have made the suggested edits, thanks. Ddrahoslav (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • ? In 'Writing systems', 3 paras don't have references at the end.
  • I've added these unreferenced claims after this comment suggesting improvements to the article which had already passed the GA review. I'm afraid there are no sources to support them, which I think the editor was aware of when making these suggestions. Ddrahoslav (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I have found and added one other source for sitelen pona (and added a quote about it). I have changed the last sentence to reflect the info in Omniglot, that this script can be written with symbols from dingbats, maths, etc. In the last para, I deleted the final bit about other scripts being rarely used - I don't think that is really necessary, as it starts by saying that individuals have adapted other scripts. Please let me know what you think about these changes!
The last two sentences of the 3rd para, about sitelen sitelen, are still unreferenced. What was your source for them? I see that in the comment you linked to that an editor asked about the purpose of the writing systems, especially the complicated sitelen sitelen. It's a good question, but unless you have a source for the explanation given here, I suggest that it's better not to include those sentences. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • While I'm okay with the first edit, I don't think the slightly outdated info from Omniglot reflects present-day reality. In other words, dingbats and math symbols are virtually never used within the community so don't deserve a mention here, in my opinion. (In fact, a standardised downloadable font for sitelen pona has been developed and is sometimes used in practice, e.g. here. As much as I'd like to add this to the article, there are no secondary sources.)
  • OK, the info from Omniglot is not necessary. On the other hand, an encyclopaedic article does not need to exclude info that doesn't reflect current reality - it could say something like "It has also been written with symbols used in fonts such as dingbats, mathematical symbols ...." Unless Omniglot is wrong, that would reflect a past situation, I think? And it has a source ..... not the best reason for including it in an article, perhaps, but would help end the para with a reference, and one that's fairly independent!! RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
What concerns the third paragraph, I have added a source for one of the two sentences and deleted the other unsupported one. Ddrahoslav (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done In 'Sentence structures', the first sentence doesn't have a reference.
  • ? Neither of the paras in 'Verbs' has a reference at the end.
  • Once again, these were deleted during the GA review and reverted here. Ddrahoslav (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Hmmm. OK, so is there a source for that information and those examples? Even if it is Lang's book, it is better to have a primary source than to have completely unsourced information. I see that GA reviewers weren't sure about using primary sources in an article about a language. I had a look at articles about a few other conlangs, and I can only say that your article is much better sourced than many! RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't think there is. Certainly not for the passive. The last sentences of the section could possibly be said to be (not explicitly) included in the last mentioned source, i.e. Warnke. Ddrahoslav (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • OK. I don't really understand why a GA reviewer would have re-inserted unsourced information. But anyway, I would suggest that the two sentences about the passive are not really necessary. The first sentence says "Toki Pona does not inflect verbs according to person, tense, mood, or voice", so we know there is no difference between active and passive voice in the verbs. If anyone wants to know how to express the idea of passivity, they can learn the language. (There are quite a few languages which don't have passives, eg Australian Aboriginal languages, but the articles about them don't mention passive at all.)
As for the last few sentences about prepositions used as verbs: I don't see them as essential to an encyclopaedic article about the language (which is not a grammar of the language, or a course in it). I would suggest just deleting it. If you want to give some examples, they need to come from a source, like Lang's book or the Warnke source (which has some examples of lon and tawa as both prepositions and verbs). Otherwise, readers will not know that someone hasn't just made up these examples and the grammatical description. I'm sorry this differs from what the GA reviewers said and did, but because DYK articles are on the main page of Wikipedia, they are subject to more scrutiny than articles which don't appear on the main page (articles for In the news and Recent deaths get the same kind of review before they are approved to go on the main page, and if the articles aren't complete enough or completely referenced, some events/deaths don't appear there at all). RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
  • ? I'm also wondering about the introductory statement that "Toki Pona is an oligoisolating constructed language". You don't mention oligoisolating again in the article, and the sources I have read that mention it say it's oligosynthetic. Oligoisolating may well be correct, but might be considered original research without a source.
  • I know the sources mention oligosynthetic but I do believe the term oligoisolating describes the language better. I am not able to find a (reliable) source supporting this, however. Does there really have to be a reference for this? Should I rather change it to oligosynthetic, which is supported by sources, despite not being entirely accurate? Ddrahoslav (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Perhaps you could just delete oligoisolating? I agree that saying it's oligosynthetic is not really accurate (although the writing systems seem to combine elements!), so although more than one source says that, I don't think it would be very useful to include it. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm still hesitant with this one. Is this something likely to be challenged? Ddrahoslav (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • We could leave it and see. Someone might well put a "citation needed" tag on it, in which case you'd need to delete it before it appeared in DYK. (You could add it again afterwards, and then someone could add a "citation needed" tag again!) RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done Not about referencing, but a suggestion: I think it would be useful to either move the first para of 'Writing systems' to the 'Inventory' section of 'Phonology and phonotactics', or to repeat there "They have the same values as in the International Phonetic Alphabet: j sounds like English y, and the vowels are like those of Spanish or Italian." Otherwise, I think English readers may read j as in 'jam' (even with a link to the article about approximants, which they may not look at).
  • I'm not sure about this one, to be honest. The phonemes are written in slashes and a note even shows up upon hovering over them stating that the characters are a representation in the IPA. I wouldn't expect to read that /j/ is not pronounced as English 'j' in a language phonology section. The readers may obviously not click on the links, but then what is their purpose. Ddrahoslav (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I've just added at the end of the first sentence "shown here with the International Phonetic Alphabet symbols". I hope that's OK. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:35, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I've got more of the article to read, but this is something to start with. I hope it doesn't seem daunting! I'm happy to help where I can. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:58, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your replies and explanations, Ddrahoslav - confusing indeed. Here are some more comments and suggestions. I've been trying to find more sources too, and have found a couple - plus added extra citations to existing sources in some places. I've ticked off the queries that have been addressed, and added ? for the points that still need work. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for all the work, RebeccaGreen. I've made some edits and additional comments. Ddrahoslav (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Ddrahoslav, here are some more thoughts and suggestions! We're getting there :-) RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

Kathrin Göring

  • ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's extramarital daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, with dramatic intensity? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

  • What's an "extramarital daughter"? Do you mean a daughter born out of wedlock? Yoninah (talk) 23:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • sometimes English is really poor, - is there no one-word phrase for the child a man has from a woman who is not his wife? I found it kind of quirky, but it it can't be put elegantly we perhaps drop it and just mention the characters' names? - As the two appear in the same Die Walküre, the singer appeared for the curtain call in her valkyrie outfit, but then was given her goddess fur coat, - can you word that, perhaps? She was Fricka only in Das Rheingold and Waltraute only in Götterdämmerung. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
A single, reasonably neutral word for "born out of wedlock" is illegitimate. You could say "Wotan's wife and illegitimate daughter" and it would be clear. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Learning, thank you!
ALT1: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's illegitimate daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Yes, ALT1 is a better hook. Here is a full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced. Unable to check for close paraphrasing as sources are foreign-language. However, the hook fact about Wotan doesn't appear in the article, nor the part about Waltraute being illegitimate. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 11:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I tried to make it more interesting for our general public, and a bit quirky, but really would not like to open the can of worms to explain the relationship of operatic characters in singers' articles. There's a roles list in every decent opera article which has such things. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
In this case Die Walküre. Sigh, for Brünnhilde, it says that the mother is Erda, but the mother of the other valkyries is not Fricka. Anyway, this may be too complex to be used.
ALT2: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and the valkyrie Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I think ALT2 is interesting, especially with that unusual word "valkyries". But again, none of this is mentioned in the article. Yoninah (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
... because it's the same can of worms. In a article about an actor playing Romeo, would you request an explanation and ref for Juliette being his beloved?
ALT2: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Fricka and the Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, which appear both in Die Walküre? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

HMS Sceptre (P215)

HMS Sceptre underway
HMS Sceptre underway
  • Reviewed: Wei Jinshan
  • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination since ages, please forgive me if I've done something wrong

Improved to Good Article status by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 02:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg GA icon received within 7 days of nomination. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in online sources. The hooks are interesting but the phrases tasked with attacking well guarded, high value targets don't appear in the article; they seem to be assumed. You could either add this wording with a reference, or just say tasked with attacking German battleships off Norway or something else. Image is freely-licensed; images in article are fair use and freely-licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 19:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Sure. My source doesn't specifically say that the German battleships were highly guarded (of course they were, but it may be kind of original research), so I've just altered the hook. L293D ( • ) 01:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. Since I proposed the hook wording, I'll leave it to another editor to sign off on this. Yoninah (talk) 10:59, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, no, because the target seems to have been a floating dry dock rather than a battleship. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Apologies for the delay, ALT3 proposed. Any hook suggestions are welcome. L293D ( • ) 17:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Gateway of India

Departure of the last British troops from India
Departure of the last British troops from India
  • Reviewed: Not required.
  • Comment: This article was listed before seven days when I was on a Wikibreak. The GA had taken too long with no communication for some time from the reviewer, hence it couldn't be concluded before I could go on my Wikibreak. I am of the opinion that the DYK is engaging enough to be on the main page. I would be eager to hear from others. Tamravidhir (talk) 09:22, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Improved to Good Article status by Tamravidhir (talk). Self-nominated at 09:22, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 4[edit]

KPRB (Oregon)

  • ... that one owner of radio station KPRB sold it to devote himself to his duties as the fire chief of Redmond, Oregon? Source

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 19:50, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough and long enough. Free of copyright problems as far as I can tell. There are sufficient references; due to the opaque nature of ref 3, I cannot confirm that it actually verifies everything cited to it in the paragraph the hook comes from. Can you point me to the right place? Also; the sentence fragment "It signed on the air in 1952 and was taken silent in 1994" in the lead is very odd; if the phrase "taken silent" is really grammatical in radio speak, I would really like to see a link for it; and why not just say "...went on air" for the first bit? Otherwise; QPQ done, hook looks good. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:01, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Vanamonde93: So that's an FCC history card. It contains a chronological list of station applications and other actions from when the station was first filed for up until the early 1980s (when the FCC computerized new records). Page 10 of the PDF has the Anderson sale (file number BAL-3539 on the left hand column). Page 11 has the power increase (BL-15,377) and the Miller sale attempt (BAL-6473 at the bottom, note the "Not Consummated" in the last column). The Combs sale is on page 13. These were used internally at the FCC with little change in practice between the 1930s and the early 80s; for stations that were around in the early 80s, the FCC now has these cards digitized. I have made the other fixes to add a link to Dark (broadcasting) for "taken silent". Raymie (tc) 05:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 5[edit]

Westerwaldlied

The German flag
The German flag
  • ... that once considered innocuous, the "Westerwaldlied" has become controversial due to its origins during the Nazi era of Germany?
    • ALT1:... that once considered innocuous, the "Westerwaldlied" has become controversial due to its origins during the National Socialist era of Germany?
    • ALT2:... that once considered innocuous, the German song "Westerwaldlied" has become controversial due to its origins during the National Socialist era?
    • ALT3:... that once considered innocuous, the German song "Westerwaldlied" has become controversial due to its origins during the Nazi era?
    • ALT4:... that though once considered innocuous in the past, the German song "Westerwaldlied" has recently become controversial due to its origins during the Nazi era?

Created by Illegitimate Barrister (talk). Self-nominated at 20:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article was moved to mainspace on 5 October, but is at 1382 characters at the time of the review. The hook is interesting and I'm AGFing on the German-language reference [7]. The article has a few inline citations to YouTube which probably need to be removed or replaced with reliable sources. Also the image is not used in the article and irrelevant. Dee03 23:38, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: If this article makes it, I think the present German flag is not appropriate, - Westerwald being a small region in one state of Germany (perhaps that should show in a hook), and originally nothing of national importance in the song. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Mandarax, I forgot what else needs to be done after an article move. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

List of sovereign states in 1781

The U.S. flag in 1781
The U.S. flag in 1781

Created by Illegitimate Barrister (talk). Self-nominated at 18:55, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Illegitimate Barrister, this article still needs some work, I think? Per the DYK rules it needs 1,500 characters of text aside from the list content and there appears to be only one inline reference so far? There are also many countries not listed. Happy to take another look once it's ready if you ping me. All the best, - Dumelow (talk) 22:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Mawtini (L. Zanbaka song)

The Iraqi flag in 2004
The Iraqi flag in 2004

Created by Illegitimate Barrister (talk). Self-nominated at 18:52, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Illegitimate Barrister: Hey, welcome to DYK. DYK articles need 1,500 prose characters and this one currently has 374. You will need to expand the article considerably to that 1,500 prose character length. The DYKcheck plugin may help you as you expand this page to the length necessary. Raymie (tc) 19:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 6[edit]

Home (Basshunter song)

  • ... that the idea for the 2019 Basshunter's "Home" originated during Powerhouse's yearly song writing camp held in Dubai?

Created by Eurohunter (talk). Self-nominated at 21:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

I may be unavailable in the coming days or week. All applications will be processed as soon as possible. Eurohunter (talk) 21:20, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article itself is expanded 5x recently and long enough. There's problems with citing, specifically that the source provided for the hook is a Youtube video and not a more reliable source. Also, the Deezer page doesn't actually mention the information that you say it does. Lastly, the hook itself would arguably not be interesting to a broad audience: Linnea Deb isn't especially notable in this context. Feel free to ping me after you give it some more work.   Ganbaruby!  (talk to me) 00:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Ganbaruby: Thank you for fast look at the thing. I would like to say that it's common mistake saying that any YouTube material is not reliable. Cited materials are published by labels/artist itself and there is even verified badge on these channels (otherwise I would provide way to weirfy that account is official). Deezer is only used for release date and labels so which information is not mentioned on Deezer? Linnea Deb is commom Swedish singer and songwritter so I thought it will be enough. Come back to broad audience unfortunatelly even Basshunter may not meet the criteria in some context. Eurohunter (talk) 19:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
      • @Eurohunter: Let me explain myself a little further. The problem with citing is primarily because you used a self published source as the only source for your hook statement. This is a problem because it could violate the second guideline about self-published sources ("does not involve claims about third parties"). The DYK guidelines specifically say to use reliable sources in the hook statement, so it would be preferable if you found a secondary source about the claim. Upon closer inspection I see why you added 5 Deezer citations, so that's ok, even if it's a bit of overkill. My biggest concern is still with the hook itself, however, since it's not particularly hooky. You might want to refer to the DYK guidelines to see how you can come up with a better hook.   Ganbaruby!  (talk to me) 00:51, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
          • @Ganbaruby: It's very basic fact, we often take credits directly from the release (here you have even direct link to it instead of just raw release citation in template AV media cite). AV media cite is even allowed in featured articles. Eurohunter (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I just took a quick look at the article and I would have to agree that the hook is not interesting to those who are unfamiliar with Swedish music. I also noticed that the grammar needs to be fixed in the article. In any case, the article needs much work before this can be featured on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
As for a new hook, here are some possible suggestion: perhaps more reviews could be found for the single, or perhaps information about the writing and influences used for the song could be found? Try not to limit yourself to a Swedish audience as the hook is supposed to interest readers who may not be familiar with the artist or the genre. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:03, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: What do you mean by "writing and influences used for the song"? Eurohunter (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Basically, if more information about how the song was made and what were the influences that the artist had in making the song could be found, that would be really helpful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:45, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: So I have added information about that idea was orginating from during Powerhouse's yearly song writing camp held in Dubai. Eurohunter (talk) 20:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Lang Ayre

The Lang Ayre
The Lang Ayre
  • ... that the Lang Ayre (pictured) is the longest beach in Shetland? Source: Also en-route, west of Ronas Hill are the huge red cliffs and the Lang Ayre, Shetlands longest beach.[8]
  • ALT1 ... that visitors to Lang Ayre (pictured), the longest beach in Shetland, are advised to carry a physical map and compass? Source: Map and compass skills required [9]
    • ALT2 ... that ropes are needed to descend over granite cliffs, to reach Lang Ayre (pictured), the longest beach in Shetland?

Created by Griceylipper (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg User:Griceylipper I have proposed an ALT DYK, that I feel is more interesting. What are your thoughts on it? The ALT DYK seems to be unsourced in the article, can you please help to fix this. DBigXray 09:32, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing this nomination User:DBigXray. I have added a citation for the relevant section to the article, and I have modified the source for your ALT1 hook. I must say I personally prefer the more simple one, as (at least to me) being able to use a map and a compass on a long walk is just common sense, however this may be of interest to readers of the front page, so I am not bothered either way. Griceylipper (talk) 11:42, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks for the kind reply. I am marking the cite as AGF for offline hook. Since we could not agree on the better hook, I would let another reviewer close this. DBigXray 16:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Also added ALT2. DBigXray 15:20, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
DBigXray I'm afraid ALT2 isn't true - you don't descend down the cliffs (that would only be done by experienced climbers, as the cliffs are very brittle), and the rope isn't required. Have a look here for a better idea of what the ravine and the rope are like. As per the link, "The rope isn't essential, but it is a big help and security blanket..." I would reference this in the article, however WP:BLOGS means I can't use a blog being written under an anonymous pseudonym as a source. Griceylipper (talk) 23:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Reading the article gave me this impression. Thanks, for the correction and the link. DBigXray 11:29, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 7[edit]

Broe helmet

The Vendel XIV helmet
The Vendel XIV helmet
  • ... that the fragmentary Broe helmet shares similarities with the Vendel XIV helmet (pictured)? Source: Tweddle 1992: There are a number of relevant passages, including "The parallels between the Coppergate helmet on the one hand and the Vendel XIV and Bro[e] helmets on the other, therefore, include the use of cheek-pieces, the method of construction of the cap, the use of a small flat crest terminating in an animal head at the front, and the occurrence of hatched eyebrows ending in animal heads"
  • Reviewed: Elizabeth Fee
  • Comment: If there's any interest in using the image of the Broe helmet itself, it will enter the public domain in January.

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC).


Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg When you say "the image of the Broe helmet itself," do you mean the illustration found in the infobox? I'm not clear on why that would enter the public domain next year—but, if so, it seems like it could be worth waiting for. It would be nice to be able to make a side-by-side comparison—not to mention, to have a free image of the subject itself. Otherwise, the hook meets all the criteria and doesn't seem to have any issues. We could hold out two and a half months for a slightly more compelling image, but I think it could also run as is. —BLZ · talk 23:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 8[edit]

WTKL

  • Reviewed: Melissa Leilani Larson
  • Comment: I am awaiting scans of some 20 articles from the SMU/UMass Dartmouth student newspaper through their library, which I requested this past Tuesday. (There is an online index but articles are not digitized.) As such a new hook may be proposed once their content is incorporated.

Converted from a redirect by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 01:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 9[edit]

WVOK (AM)

  • ... that a vandal "knew what he was doing" when he ripped out the fuse blocks to WEYY's transmitter, keeping it off the air for two and a half hours? Source

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 02:29, 10 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 10[edit]

Frank Philipp Schlößmann

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:38, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 11[edit]

Jennifer Morgan

  • ... that when Jennifer Morgan became Co-Chief Executive Officer at SAP SE, she was the first female CEO of a company on the DAX index? Source: "[12]
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: sorry, late by a day

Created by Jolds777 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Isabelle Kabatu

Isabelle Kabatu in 2007
Isabelle Kabatu in 2007
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:15, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

Christof Nel

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

Lord & Taylor Building

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 22:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Epicgenius: QPQ checks out, 5x expansion counts, hooks are all verifiable and somewhat interesting, though I'd say ALT0 is a bit on the uninteresting side. I'd also say that ALT2 should specify who described it as frankly commercial but it doesn't have to. An interesting hook could also be "... that the Lord & Taylor Building was the first department store with elevators installed?". Other then those minor things, it looks good to go. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:32, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Eddie891: I think that a hook about elevators may be a good hook, but the sources are not clear on whether it was this exact building. This is implied, but not explicitly stated. Other than that, I agree that ALT1 and ALT2 sound better than ALT0 as currently phrased. (ALT0 was about how Fifth Avenue display windows were supposed to only be used to advertise items.) epicgenius (talk) 00:04, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Eddie891: Are you still reviewing this article? epicgenius (talk) 16:22, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Elizabeth Fee

Dr. Elizabeth Fee
Dr. Elizabeth Fee

Created by Zeromonk (talk). Self-nominated at 21:43, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New, in time, long enough, sourced, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Zeromonk, what is the source for Fee writing about the history of the toothbrush? I see the CUNY article talks about her "popularizing the toothbrush", but not its history per se. Perhaps finding the article and linking to it would help? --Usernameunique (talk) 23:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Epicgenius and Usernameunique: thanks for that - also mentioned here: https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2019.305065 - Fee’s “chapters cover topics as diverse as diverse as bioterrorism, “sin versus science” in the racialized treatment of syphilis in Baltimore, and popularizing the toothbrush, ever posing the question of whether there is anything to learn from history and speaking to both specialists and a broad public of all ages.” The sentence is a bit clunky but those are all topics in history that she researched and wrote about. Zeromonk (talk) 06:43, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 12[edit]

Serge Rezvani

Marie-José Nat in 2002
Marie-José Nat in 2002
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: it's about her, intentionally

Created by LouisAlain (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:35, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Joshua Guerrero

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:11, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Rhynocoris longifrons

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

The Cedars School

An 18th century Grade II listed building, now occupied by the school.
An 18th century Grade II listed building, now occupied by the school.
  • Comment: Not sure if this is worthy of a DYK nomination but thought I'd give it a go and see. Maybe in the country should be England? Not sure if the image should be used but it is an 18th century Grade II listed building that was acquired by its trust and now occupied by the school. Some history on it in the article.

Created by Steven (Editor) (talk). Self-nominated at 02:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Good job! New and long enough, within policy, Earwid detects no copyvios, no QPQ needed. You do need to specify the country, and be careful about whether it's England or the United Kingdom. You may want to explicitly state in the article that the school is not directly run by Opus Dei as this source states; though the current wording is correct, it's easy to miss that nuance. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 08:00, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Joseph Anthony Dwyer

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 23:05, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage

5x expanded by DBigXray (talk). Self-nominated at 11:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @DBigXray: If the AfD closes, this will be very close to ready. The expansion is large enough and new enough, and a QPQ is present. I advise against ALT1 because the topic isn't very well known outside India. The Firstpost source for the hook is OK and backs the hook claims but a bit thin of an article. I have done some copyediting myself. The following is a list of specific article issues that need resolution:
  • There is a [better source needed] (lede paragraph 3) and a [clarification needed] ("Charts", sentence 1) in this article.
  • The sentence beginning "The music producer is" lacks an inline citation, which is needed as it is the last sentence of the paragraph.
Credit to you, this is a very good revamp, but the AfD must close "keep" for this to be worthy of consideration. Raymie (tc) 03:57, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT0 goes against the WP:DYKHOOK rule of "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way.". For ALT1; Kapoor was clean shaven in at least the 2010 film Milenge Milenge; pics here. We cant have false facts as hook.
Why don't you suggest a hook on how the song is among the most viewed Youtube video? Oh wait; that's false too.
Then why dont you make a hook on how its been on charts? Oh wait; those aren't credible enough to back with WP:RS and WP:CHARTS.
Why dont you just give opinion like lets say xyz non-notable blogwriter considers the songs to very notable? Wait again; that's not what hooks are for. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • This song isn't about Shahid Kapoor it is about Kabir Singh. The hook sounds like Kapoor literally turned alcoholic and broke up with his wife. In the article it says "Shahid Kapoor is shown as trying to move on in his life but he was unable to forget the memories of his love Preeti" we should not mention his name rather change it to his stage name Kabir. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 19:18, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The concerns above make me very worried indeed. (If it doesn't show, this isn't my topic area.) They call into question the suitability of ALT0 and the accuracy of ALT1 (and its source). @Dharmadhyaksha and CAPTAIN MEDUSA: is there more information that might be useful to me, or any suggestions to be made of the nominator? Raymie (tc) 22:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • There are multiple issues with this article including The song was reported as topping the music charts in July 2019 and was one of the top ten viewed songs of the world on YouTube. however the source says the song got 20 million views within 24 hours. Kiara Advani plays the role of Preeti or Preety. The second paragraph on Music Video says Kiara Advani who played the role of Preety, Kabir's love interest then later in the sentence it says after getting separated from Preeti. The article title is not in italic however name in the article is italic but infobox is not.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:14, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

John Ystumllyn

Portrait of John Ystumllyn, 1754
Portrait of John Ystumllyn, 1754
  • Reviewed: Samsung Galaxy M30s
  • Comment: Interesting little biography, created for Black History Month in the UK. Note that this biography quotes at length from a 19th-century account of Ystumllyn's life, so may set off several copyvio detectors.

Created by Tenpop421 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:34, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 13[edit]

Judith (Matthus)

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: I like to mention Kupfer, as he was the reason for all this: the composition, the other location and the recording.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:09, 20 October 2019 (UTC).

Siege of Masaka

  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Indy beetle (talk) and Applodion (talk). Nominated by Applodion (talk) at 22:20, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Tell Qudadi

  • ... that a recent study showed that the ancient fortress in Tell Qudadi in Tel Aviv, which was believed to have been an Israelite fortress razed by the Assyrians some 2700 years ago, was actually built by the Assyrians themselves?

5x expanded by Bolter21 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Hevrin Khalaf

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: sad sad sad - the image is not free - better wording welcome

Created by Jwslubbock (talk), Thsmi002 (talk), and Volunteer Marek (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: Red XN - pending
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg The hook could include more about Hevrin's achievements, but I'm happy to approve once the QPQ is done. OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:55, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the review, I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/The Elephant Queen.
ALT1: ... that the Kurdish civil engineer and politician Hevrin Khalaf, known for her diplomatic skills in negotiations with the United States, France and others, was killed in the 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria?
ALT2: ... that the Kurdish civil engineer and politician Hevrin Khalaf, Secretary General of the Future Syria Party, was killed in the 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria?
ALT3: ... that the Kurdish civil engineer and politician Hevrin Khalaf, who worked towards tolerance among Christians, Arabs and Kurds, was killed in the 2019 Turkish offensive into Syria?
It would be nice to be able to shorten the offensive, but I am not sure about political correctness. Tried in the last, - ccould be used for the others if acceptable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:30, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 14[edit]

Prehistoric Sites and Decorated Caves of the Vézère Valley

1907 drawing of the Venus impudique
1907 drawing of the Venus impudique
  • ... that the Vénus impudique (pictured), the first Venus figurine found in modern times, was excavated at Laugerie-Basse, one of the Prehistoric Sites and Decorated Caves of the Vézère Valley? source: White, Randall (December 2006). "The Women of Brassempouy: A Century of Research and Interpretation". Journal of Archaeological Method and Theory. 13 (4): 253.
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Converted from a redirect by Fram (talk). Self-nominated at 11:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC).

Southern black korhaan

Southern black korhaan
Southern black korhaan

5x expanded by 24.37.243.226 (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 13:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC).

  • COMMENT: a suggestion that ",native to South Africa," be inserted into the hook before "is becoming rarer" David notMD (talk) 10:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Leptoconops torrens

  • ... that infestations of Leptoconops torrens, or the black valley gnat, have halted construction and farming projects in California?

5x expanded by Steelwull (talk). Self-nominated at 01:01, 15 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi @Steelwull, for an expanded article to qualify for DYK, its character count needs to have increased 5x in the last seven days. As it stands right now, the article contains 5296 characters of readable prose; the oldest version of the article within that window contains 5209 characters of readable prose. The article would need to be expanded significantly in order to meet the 5x standard for DYK. Morgan695 (talk) 01:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Hello @Morgan695:, thank you for the comments! I will keep that in mind when editing and nominating future articles. Sorry for the inconvenience. (Although I did not create the article, since the information previously on it was copied word for word from the sources, I did rewrite most of the contents, however). Steelwull (talk) 01:10, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg @Steelwull: No worries. Marking this nomination as closed. Just for your awareness, if the article is promoted to Good article status, you would be able to re-submit it for consideration for DYK. Morgan695 (talk) 01:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Steelwull, any text that was a copyright violation does not count towards the pre-expansion amount (see WP:DYKSG#A4). This nomination may proceed if you had at least a five times expansion from what would be left after removing copyvios from the existing article. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 18:14, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Mandarax:, the previous contents were completely copied from one source, but the time frame was a little further back than a week, unfortunately. Thank you for the information, though! Steelwull (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 15[edit]

George P. Kent

George Kent
George Kent
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk). Self-nominated at 01:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

A Stanislaw Lem Reader

  • ... that A Stanislaw Lem Reader contains interviews with, an essay about and an essay by Stanisław Lem, one of the most widely read science fiction writers in the world? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Staszek Lem (talk) and Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 09:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

List of honors received by John Ashbery

John Ashbery
John Ashbery
  • James F. English, The Economy of Prestige (2004), p. 343: English asks who holds the title of prize-winningest poet and comes up with Ashbery at 45 awards, writing "There may be other poets who have won more awards than this, but I have been able to tabulate only about 30 awards for Seamus Heaney ... and 25 for Adrienne Rich ... The Ashbery list is described by its compilers as 'partial.'" The note about Heaney—an Irish poet—is crucial, because it shows English did not limit his inquiry to American writers.
  • John Emil Vincent, John Ashbery and You: His Later Books (2007), p. 1: "David Lehman noted that Ashbery has won the greatest number of major prizes of any living American author. His forty-five was followed next by John Updike's thirty-nine." Lehman merely states the consequence of English's tallies: if Ashbery is the prize-winningest poet, and if he has won more prizes than the prize-winningest fiction writer, then he is the prize-winningest writer overall.
  • The same statement can be found in an article from The New Yorker: "English estimates that among poets John Ashbery is the leader, with at least forty-five prizes and awards. John Updike sets the pace for novelists, with thirty-nine." The New Yorker also summarizes a key point of The Economy of Prestige about the proliferation of literary prizes in the contemporary era: "Since the nineteen-seventies, English says, there has been an explosion of new cultural prizes and awards ... the number of literary prizes is climbing much faster than the number of books published." Therefore, however broadly one construes the term "history of modern literature", the hook almost certainly remains true; a writer from the 18th-, 19th-, or even early 20th-century could hardly have won 46 awards because there probably weren't even 46 literary awards to be won in the first place. The only reason to hedge with a phrase like "almost certainly" is that the standards used to define what counts or doesn't count as "an award" for purposes of such tallies may differ.

Moved to mainspace by Brandt Luke Zorn (talk). Self-nominated at 23:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Length(!) and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism detected, sources are good. However, the hook itself is well-sourced but dubious (as is often the case with these kind of claims). List of honors received by Maya Angelou seems to be a strong contender, but both are dwarved by List of awards and nominations received by Stephen King. Fram (talk) 11:46, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
@Fram: This makes sense. Even if we suppose that Ashbery may have been the "most-honored" writer overall as of 2004, based on English's work, that would uncritically reproduce whatever limitations English had (no way of knowing if he considered "genre" fiction at all when ranking fiction writers, for instance). I wish there were more sources collating the prize-winningest writers, but there's a surprising lack. You'd think this kind of thing would be checked in on more often, but I couldn't find much of an update or expansion on English's work—probably because he only crowned winners, rather than providing rankings that could be checked or updated readily—or even different versions of the same type of ranking.
Besides—and this is totally incidental—I actually like Stephen King a lot! I certainly disagree with what Ashbery's abiding champion, the late Harold Bloom, had to say about King. And as the saying goes, "you come at the [K]ing, you best not miss." I have no desire to come at the King anyway, let alone miss, so I withdraw ALT0.
I've pitched two ALT hooks that narrow the claim: ALT1 is narrowed to just American poetry, rather than all world literature of any genre, while ALT2 is narrowed to poetry of any national origin in the modern era. While both are still fairly broad claims, they're both much more defensible. I even would argue, under the circumstances, they're reasonable claims to stake on a source from 2004, considering the world of poetry isn't ordinarily known for fast-moving, unexpected developments and disruptions (especially not for a metric like "total awards won"). Ashbery continued receiving awards and honors at a steady pace after 2004 and right up until his death in 2017—indeed, he won about a third of his total lifetime haul after 2004. It's very unlikely that English's second-place American poet Adrienne Rich, second-place overall poet Seamus Heaney, or any other poets would have caught up in that time (or since).
While I think either claim is well-founded based the best available sources, ALT1 is the narrower and safer choice. Let me know what you think! —BLZ · talk 20:12, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps something like
This matches the source[19] and is in any case true (Lehman claimed it, no matter if it is correct or not) and attributed to a notable critic in his own right. And it still is (to me) noteworthy enough to pique the interest. Fram (talk) 07:53, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
That works for me. No question as to accuracy, and I agree with you that it doesn't compromise interest-piquing. —BLZ · talk 16:44, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

RETRIEVE

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 16:07, 15 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 16[edit]

Ontario (steamboat)

Ontario, first steamboat to see active service on the Great Lakes
Ontario, first steamboat to see active service on the Great Lakes

Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 06:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

Judy Sullivan

Biomedical Engineer Judy Sullivan wearing a headset at her console during training for the Apollo 11 mission.
Biomedical Engineer Judy Sullivan wearing a headset at her console during training for the Apollo 11 mission.
  • ... that Judy Sullivan (pictured) was the first female engineer hired by NASA for spacecraft testing? Source: "Judy is the first woman engineer hired by NASA for spacecraft testing" ( "A Girl Engineer for NASA". Florida Today, 8 July 1969. p. 1D. Col 3. {Source behind newspaper.com paywall.}
    • ALT1:... that Judy Sullivan (pictured) was the only female voice on NASA's headset link, so that she was instantly identifiable if she made an error? Source: "Because Sullivan was the only woman in her department to wear a headset, she was careful not to make mistakes, she said. If a man’s voice came over the headset, it was hard to determine who he was. But if she messed up, everyone would know whose voice it was — as they did when she pressed her button by mistake as she answered a colleague’s question about a steakhouse" "50 years after mission accomplished, Lower Macungie woman talks about her role as Apollo 11 biomedical engineer" The Morning Call, Jul 15, 2019 (similar quotes in two other sources nearer in time to the event, both paywalled)
    • ALT2:... that at the time of the Apollo 11 mission, Judy Sullivan (pictured) was one of only 100 women in "top administrative posts" at NASA'a Cape Kennedy? Source: "Lady Engineer Keeps Tabs on Astronauts". Miami Herald. 29 June 1969. p. G4

Created by DESiegel (talk), Terasaface (talk), and FeanorStar7 (talk). Nominated by DESiegel (talk) at 18:47, 20 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Created in Draft space 8 October 2019; moved to article space 16 October 2019 DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)


Trogoderma variabile

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 05:52, 20 October 2019 (UTC).

Intelligence Community Campus-Bethesda

A building of the renovated campus in 2017
A building of the renovated campus in 2017
  • ... that many of the buildings in Intelligence Community Campus-Bethesda were built without any windows, but a 2015 renovation introduced modern glass facades and open, light-filled workspaces (pictured)? Source: [20] [21] for the original state with no windows; [22] for the renovated layout.

Created by Antony-22 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:10, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The wording is a little strange. How about this? Let me know what you think.
    • ALT1 ... that many of the buildings in Intelligence Community Campus-Bethesda did not contain any windows, until a 2015 renovation introduced modern glass facades and open, light-filled workspaces (pictured)?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 16:02, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: ALT1 is fine, I just added a comma. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 05:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 17[edit]

The Elephant Queen

  • ... that the filmmaking duos Victoria Stone and Mark Deeble spent 18 months to find an elephant for 2019 documentary film The Elephant Queen? Source: [23]
    • ALT1:... that the 2019 documentary film The Elephant Queen directors Victoria Stone and Mark Deeble spent four years to watch elephant herd for their film? Source: [24]

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 17 October 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting film and story, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. Article first: I did quite some copy-editing, please check and revert what you don't like. Urgent: do something about "will open ... on 18 October" (today is 20 October) and mention some year in the introduction, which could summarize a bit more anyway. The hooks have good ideas. I'll reword them both for you, - say if acceptable ("filmmaking duos" is a strange phrase, and should be duo if used at all - get bolded link to the front):
ALT0a: ... that for their 2019 documentary film The Elephant Queen, directors Victoria Stone and Mark Deeble spent 18 months to find an elephant for the main character? Source: [25]
  • ALT1a:... that for their 2019 documentary film The Elephant Queen, the two directors followed elephant herds for four years? Source: [26]
Both don't mention the relocation which would make it more dramatic, while the unlinked names of the directors probably don't add much to garner interest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I found out that they followed the elephant in Tsavo East National Park. Both directors don't have a wiki page. Thank you Gerda Arendt for copyediting the article and rewording the hook.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 11:49, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Please change the tense for 18 October. How about mentioning the peace prize nom in the lead. I know that the directors have no page, - create them or perhaps don't mention them in a hook, as I did in ALT1a. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt How about this hook?___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:12, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Good idea but too much before we get to the title, please reword, - and I meant to the lead and prose of the article, not the hook ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 18[edit]

Boxwood Altar (WB.232)

Created by Ceoil

Tony Renna

5x expanded by MWright96 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

Iraj Castle

  • ... that the massive Sasanian fortification Iraj Castle lacks any structure in its interior? Source: "Protected by a massive wall, but devoid of permanent buildings in its vast c. 175 ha interior, the rectangular compound of Qaleh Iraj near Tehran must be a military base – and as such, it is arguably the largest fortress in the ancient world to the west of modern Afghanistan." [27]
  • Reviewed: Working on it... --Z 17:07, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

5x expanded by ZxxZxxZ (talk). Self-nominated at 17:07, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

  • @ZxxZxxZ: Hi, I will review this article. There seem to be some issues; see below. epicgenius (talk) 15:37, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

General eligiblity:

  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Red XN - Prose size before expansion is 872 characters, and afterward is 4281 characters. This is just short of an exact 5x expansion, i.e. 4360 characters.

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - Eh, I guess it could be more interesting. How about this:
    • ...that Iraj Castle is the largest pre-modern, non-urban permanent fortification in southwest Asia, Europe and Africa?

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 15:37, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Just a drive-by comment: Epicgenius's new suggestion is probably better than the original hook, but the sentence mentioning it doesn't have a footnote. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:19, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Charlotte Pistorius

  • Comment: that's what she is known for, and he is well known, - best on her birthday 5 November

Moved to mainspace by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:38, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Red XN - The hook is too mundane. It's not surprising that two people write letters to each other.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article is great as usual, but may not be hooky enough for dyk. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 11:04, 19 October 2019 (UTC) It's a correspondence which is mentioned a lot in the literature. What do you propose? We can't help that Arndt isn't known like Shakespeare. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 19[edit]

James Humphreys (pornographer)

  • ... that the diaries of James Humphreys, the "Emperor of Porn", were used to convict 13 policemen of accepting his bribes?
"Porn King and Wife Jailed over Vice Ring". The Guardian. 2 July 1994. p. 10.

Created by SchroCat (talk). Self-nominated at 17:48, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Calvert Vaux Park

  • ... that Calvert Vaux Park, named after the landscape architect found dead in a nearby bay, is largely made of landfill from the Verrazzano Bridge's construction? Source: NYC Parks
    • ALT1:... that after New York City decided to develop a long-neglected portion of Calvert Vaux Park, nearby residents objected to a planned golf course on the site? Source: NY Times 1997 "'The park just lay there as the garbage settled for 35 years', said the Parks Commissioner, Henry J. Stern." ... "Now, though, the city is finally taking action, but in a way that has aroused the fury of park advocacy groups."
    • ALT2:... that Calvert Vaux Park is located next to a boat graveyard near Coney Island with over two dozen ships? Source: NY Times 2006 "Behind the tall grass and trees of Calvert Vaux Park [...] is a nautical graveyard. Burned and rotting hulks of abandoned vessels jut from the dirty beach into the silted, sluggish water of Coney Island Creek." Side note: The thought of a boat graveyard in Coney Island (i.e. the Coney Island Creek) is pretty interesting to me, though the reviewer may disagree.

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Nischal Basnet

5x expanded by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 11:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Going to review this shortly. Toa Nidhiki05 00:31, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
  • DYK check:
  • New - Meets criteria.
  • Long enough - Easily meets criteria.
  • Cited hook - Hook is indeed cited. However, I don't like the wording, or at least the way the two parts are merged. I'd reword to something like

.. that the Nepali film director Nischal Basnet went to Australia to study 3D animation but ultimately studied hospitality and became a chef?

  • Within policy - Article seems to meet BLP
  • QPQ - Met.
  • Other comments - One thing I'm definitely not comfortable with is the prose. I think this needs a copyedit to meet basic prose standards; there are some glaring formatting and prose errors I noticed.
  • I'm going to put this on hold until an uninvolved party can correct some of the more glaring prose errors - other than that, this is a good piece for DYK. Symbol possible vote.svg Toa Nidhiki05 00:54, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Concentration of land ownership

  • ... that concentration of land ownership is correlated with various negative outcomes, including illiteracy and deforestation? Source: "Larger inequality in income and land distribution has been associated to higher deforestation rates in 48 developing countries" Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences; "In El Salvador and Guatemala, large landowners depended on a repressive labour regime to remain economically viable, ... in Colombia and Costa Rica, which are characterised by small-scale landholdings ... the coffee boom led to the emergence of a smallholder coffee economy. Because of these distinct reactions to the boom, literacy rates, as well as other indicators of socio-economic development, have differed sharply between the two sets of countries since the late 19th century." Scottish Land Commission

Created by Fiamh (talk). Self-nominated at 10:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Yashasvi Jaiswal

  • ... that Indian cricketer Yashasvi Jaiswal became the youngest player to score a List A double century in October 2019? Source: "He became the youngest double centurion in List A cricket." [29]
    • ALT1:... that cricketer Yashasvi Jaiswal lived in tents and sold panipuri before becoming the youngest List A double centurion? Source: "For three years, he lived with groundsmen in the Muslim United Club’s tent" "He had to sell pani-puri during the Ram Leela in Azad Maidan" [30]
  • Reviewed: Coming soon

5x expanded by Dee03 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:44, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 20[edit]

St. Charles College (Louisiana)

Created by Ergo Sum (talk). Self-nominated at 02:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

Lego Bionicle: The Legend of Mata Nui

Improved to Good Article status by Toa Nidhiki05 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:06, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

Missouri v. Frye

  • ... that in Missouri v. Frye the Supreme Court of the United States ruled defense attorneys have to communicate plea bargains to their clients? Source: "As a general rule, defense counsel has the duty to communicate formal prosecution offers to accept a plea on terms and conditions that may be favorable to the accused." Source
    • ALT1:... that the Supreme Court of the United States ruled defense attorneys "have the duty to communicate" plea bargain offers to their clients?

Created by Frood (talk). Self-nominated at 00:46, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg @Frood: There are some citation issues. Every paragraph should end with an inline citation, and every sentence preceding the last in a paragraph should have one as necessary. The actual hook (the holding of the court) does not actually appear in the Ruling section of the article. The biggest issue is that there is not a proper inline citation for the hook in the article. Bluebook citation is used, but it must have a pincite (i.e. the specific page in the opinion). AGF that no qpq is required. Ergo Sum 02:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 21[edit]

Special occasion holding area[edit]

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