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August 19[edit]

Publishing on Wikipedia[edit]

Hi I have a draft in Sandbox and dont know how to take the next step towards publishing it on Wikipedia, the publish button is greyed out cheers KST — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kramshramtit (talkcontribs) 01:08, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kramshramtit: Just looked at the sandbox draft and the submit button appears normal to me. However, please do not submit the draft as it is completely without references and will be rejected upon review. Please see WP:BLP for more about biographical articles and WP:REFB for a guide to adding references. WP:CITET lists templates to use when adding sources. Please also review the notability guidelines. Some useful links will be left at your talk page. (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Kramshramtit: Furthe

r, if this is an autobiography, this is strongly discouraged. Please see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for more information. Eagleash (talk) 02:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kramshramtit: Please also see WP:NARTIST and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. -Arch dude (talk) 02:58, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Is it ever acceptable to use an ellipsis outside of a quote?[edit]

Please let me know; I found a page where this was the case and changed it to a comma.--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Ummm ... yes, and also when you peter out at the end of ... [1]
... but you were correct to change it within the Wikipedia article. The usage has an air of informality that is not appropriate in an encyclopaedia article, but is fine for a talk page or the Help desk. Dbfirs 06:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for telling me. Sorry if this was an irresponsible question to ask here, as is sometimes the case with the questions I ask on the Help desk.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:07, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Continuous editing conflict[edit]

I've been an editor for a few years without a problem ever editing. For the last couple of months, every time I try to publish an edit I receive a conflict for simultaneous editing, and the page is returned to its original status. However, looking at the editing history one can see that the last two comments are mine, the last one is like the original page and the one before is like what I wanted to change. Following is the last example I suspect some setting has changed in my profile that shows me editing from two different devices, and from here the conflict. What shall I look or change to solve this problem?Gciriani (talk) 02:11, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I have a very similar problem. I have been editing Wikipedia since 2005 without technical problems. However, for the last several weeks, when I push the Publish Changes button, the edit conflict page pops up. When I look at the article's history, I see that my edit was saved. This happens most of the time, but not all the time. As best I can tell, the false edit conflict page pops up when I save immediately after making a change in the article. If I edit, then press the Preview button, then press Publish Changes (without making another edit), I get the edit saved success message. I edit Wikipedia using Google Chrome (up-to-date) running under Win 10 Pro (also up-to-date).—Finell 04:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I occasionally get the same problem, but it's when I click "Publish changes" twice (on a slow internet connection). Dbfirs 06:38, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Gciriani: I also get this very, very occasionally, too. I hit Publish Changes, get an edit conflict message, only to find the edit I was trying to make had just been made by me. It happens sufficiently rarely that I can't even remember if it occurs on my iPhone with Safari, or on my laptop with Chrome, or both. What I do know is that I do have a Beta Gadget enable for "Two column edit conflict". The first thing I would do is turn this off, and then maybe restore all Special:Preferences to the default settings in all sections via the big red link at the bottom of that page. I notice you also managed to post this question twice too - once here, and once at the Teahouse. May I politely remind you that it wastes volunteer effort and causes some irritation when someone posts the identical question in two help fora at once? In future, please wait at least 24 hrs before seeking input elsewhere if your question isn't answered. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 06:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
I assumed that Gciriani had got an edit conflict and not realised that the question had actually been posted, so re-posted as an IP. If the problem occurs only when logged in, then it must be some setting, as you suggest. Dbfirs 07:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
This problem has been reported previously. It happens pretty frequently for me (working on a laptop, using Chrome). I've checked that it still happens if the "Two column edit conflict" gadget is turned off. Others have suggested that it is when the publish button is pressed twice, but I do not believe that this is the case. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
I note a question just above here relates to server lag, which might be relevant. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

In the further reading section with the magazine "Majesty' - I added in this website - It is all wrong. Please fix Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Fixed You put 'url:=' instead of 'url='. Eagleash (talk) 03:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk Page and User Name[edit]

I've noticed that my user name is highlighted in red "Wikiwicker" and there seems to be some question as to whether I really exist or not. I don't have a "user page" so does that mean my user name will be removed? Thanks, Ray Murray "Wikiwicker" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwicker (talkcontribs) 05:31, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Wikiwicker: As the username in signutures etc links to the user page, if you don't have a user page it will show as a red link, as with any link to a non existant page. There is no requirement to have a user page, and you definitely exist. If it bothers you, there's ways to change signature colour - see Wikipedia:Signature tutorial ~~ OxonAlex - talk 06:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Why not just write a sentence, or the word "Welcome" on your user page? ... or redirect it to your talk page? Dbfirs 06:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Where to ask for audio file review?[edit]

Hello, I would like to request review of an audio clip to see if it is okay for use in Wikipedia. Is there a good place I can ask about this? I have made several requests and posts on Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions, as well as asking a Wikipedia administrator, as well as two requested peer reviews. Unfortunately I haven't been able to interest anyone in taking a look. What should I try next?

I have been working on The Phenomenauts. I am trying to raise it for eventual sumission for GA status. I originally uploaded four audio clips, based on my understanding of Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Music_samples. These were deleted for being non-free content, which is true; they were. I have done a lot of reading of Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Music_samples, WP:NFC, and and WP:NFCC to better understand Wikipedia norms and how to handle this. I then created a post on the article Talk page outlining a case for why I believe inclusion of a single, short audio clip would be appropriate.

The other events then were:

The original administrator appears to be quite busy, and I don't want to bother them if they don't have time to discuss it. But I would love some feedback on whether my edits are on the right track, and this is an appropriate case/argument for including a single audio clip.

What is the best next step to request someone taking a look? Thanks for your time. --Culix (talk) 05:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


Adult of an undescribed Iphierga species Psychidae Iphierga Iphierga chrysophaes Turner, 1917 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valeriefarias (talkcontribs) 09:07, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia. If there is a question you would like to ask, please do so. Please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: Button sig.png, but do not sign in articles. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:27, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Valeriefarias: The scientific name, Iphierga chrysophaes, has definitely been validly published see here. However there is no page yet for this taxon (nor indeed the genus) on Wikipedia. You would be welcome to create one, and one simple way is to copy and modify the wikitext of a closely related moth species. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Help Publishing a Translation[edit]


It seems I can't publish an English from Danish translation I made for 'Abelstedt' (

How will this translation be able to be published?

Best regards, Oliver — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ojcapital (talkcontribs) 10:40, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

In this edit I have added a template to give you a button to submit the draft for review, & also removed your draft from article categories (see WP:DRAFTNOCAT). If you translated from a Danish Wikipedia article you need to provide attribution, as required by WP:TFOLWP. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
I now see that you did provide an attribution in the edit summary, but you may wish to supplement it in the talk page as suggested. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:53, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
User:Ojcapital, I hope you don't mind that I have tweaked the grammar a bit. TSventon (talk) 11:58, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! - Ojcapital (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Ojcapital: I see that all your edits on English and Danish Wikipedia relate to Abelstedt. Please can you confirm if you have a conflict of interest (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest) and if you have been paid to edit the articles (see Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure). TSventon (talk) 12:14, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@TSventon: I can confirm that neither is the case. I recently created my account and this was my first contribution. - Ojcapital (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
User:Ojcapital, thanks for the confirmation. TSventon (talk) 08:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
You should't have submitted the draft for review until you'd sorted out the multiple errors in the referencing. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:15, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the notice David. However, I was quite sure that these referencing errors were not there until the draft got moved. It might have been a miss. - Ojcapital (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

جاكارو Wahoo[edit]

I can't linked both pages together: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamwi2000 (talkcontribs) 11:07, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done, you can link together by clicking on "Add links" under the "Languages" section in the sidebar. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:11, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

How to correct a link to another language wikipedia[edit]

Hello friends. The English article is Blaubeuren Abbey. The German article is Kloster Blaubeuren. But if you click on "Deutsch" in the Languages sidebar of Blaubeuren Abbey, the link is going to Blaubeuren. How do I make it go to the correct place? Thank you. (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Fixed, an interwiki link had been placed on the English Wikipedia article, now it is through Wikidata. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Can you explain how you did it so I can fix it myself another time? (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
This table is a great help Help:Interwiki linking#Project titles and shortcuts - FlightTime (open channel) 15:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
The article had [[de:Blaubeuren]] at the bottom, that is the old way of connecting together articles in different languages. Now we try to keep everything linked together on Wikidata, you can get to it by clicking "Add links" under the language sidebar. The old way can still be used to overwrite the Wikidata connection or to link to a related topic if the different languages don't have quite the same scope. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Terrific to know, thank you both! (talk) 15:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Archived undone request[edit]

ClueBot III has archived request not yet completed on Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop.

The undone request will be completed anyway or it is necessary to request again? -- (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Moved from Misc reference desk ~~ OxonAlex - talk 16:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

It's unlikely for someone to be searching the archives looking of uncompleted requests. So you can unarchive the request in cases like this. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks button[edit]

I would like to undo my thanks. I read WP:THANKS but I couldn't find anything that says how to do it. Unless I missed it on that page, can you show me how to do that and ping me when you answer? Interstellarity (talk) 16:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't think a thanks can be undone. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@FlightTime: I don't quite understand your answer. Could you rephrase it for me and ping me when you do that please? Interstellarity (talk) 16:31, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Interstellarity: - FlightTime (open channel) 16:35, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@FlightTime: Thanks for the quick response. Interstellarity (talk) 16:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Comics TPB table[edit]

How come in transclusions such as at Smallville, there is a large whitespace rendered above the table footnotes (in the given instance beginning with "The full title [...]")? How can that be fixed?--Hildeoc (talk) 16:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I've removed the spacing below each table. Does it look OK now? – Ammarpad (talk) 17:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Editing articles.[edit]

Hello. Recently I made a change in one of articles in Wikipedia. After about 90 minutes a received a massage from a user of Wikipedia in which he told me that he had deleted what I typed because I didn’t include a reliable source. I am sure that information I provided is right, and, in my opinion, there is a reason to include that information to that article and I don’t think it is necessary to include a reliable source every time. So, I just want you to answer a question for me. If I had created completely new article it would not have been necessary to get a permission from somebody (maybe from an article’s author) to make some changes in this article in the future? By the way, if an author wrote that article himself, he would just have to understand basic things in the topic, since a source isn’t needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petro Sapriianchuk (talkcontribs) 20:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Petro Sapriianchuk: Information in Wikipedia must be sourced to a reliable source. This is so readers can verify the information if they desire. Verifiability is an important principle of Wikipedia. That you believe the information to be correct is irrelevant; we need to know where it came from. You don't need permission to create an article or make an edit, but if challenged on it, it is up to you to discuss the matter and justify what it is that you want to do, see WP:BRD for more information. 331dot (talk) 20:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Petro Sapriianchuk: once an article exists, it no longer has "an author". The person who created the article has no more rights or responsibilities for the article than does anyone else. This also true for any edit by any editor: we all have the same right and responsibilities, except for edits who are WP:PAID or have a WP:COI with respect to the article: those editors have fewer rights than the rest of us. -Arch dude (talk) 20:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Petro Sapriianchuk: Your edit gave instructions to the reader. A text book might do this, but an encyclopaedia never does. It only presents facts. Also, your note was formatted as a reference, which it wasn't, so was misleading. You might like to try The Wikipedia Adventure to get some practice in editing. Dbfirs 10:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Article Henry Oberlander not appearing in Google search?[edit]

Hi, Henry Oberlander went live over one month ago but is not showing as any hit on Google search. Does anyone know how this works and how long it would take to appear? There are under 3000 hits for this major personality, on Google, so the article does not exactly have a lot of competition. Any thoughts welcome. Many thanks Anna (talk) 22:00, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

It still has noindex as a new article. See Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing#Indexing of articles ("mainspace"). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Can I ask for it to be indexed? Anna (talk) 00:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
No need to ask, there are thousand articles also waiting to be reviewed. It'll eventually be reviewed/indexed. – Ammarpad (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

August 20[edit]

Request to Edit Article[edit]


I am one of the administrators of Holy Angels' College (Bulacan), and I would like to seek help in editing the Heading for, it should be named as Holy Angels' College (Bulacan). The school is presently known by this name since it was re-incorporated in 2001.

Thank you

Jeffrey Ian G. Esperanza System Administrator Holy Angels' College (Bulacan) Inc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esperanzaji (talkcontribs) 01:01, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Esperanzaji: There have been major changes to the article in the last few hours made by an anonymous editor. The changes were unsourced and at least partly unencyclopedic and may well be removed or greatly reduced. If this was you, please do not do this. Please read both WP:COI and WP:PAID (this is mandatory) and make the necessary disclosures. Please do not edit the article directly but make edit requests via the article talk page. (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: ~~~~.) Eagleash (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Correct a locked article[edit]

Articles are locked to “prevent vandalism” yet they are factually incorrect. How can someone request to get these articles corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Via edit requests - FlightTime (open channel) 03:09, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) (x2) You can request edits via the article talk page. To do this you use a template which varies depending on the level of protection. Without knowing the name of the page you are asking about, you use one of: Template:Edit extended-protected, Template:Edit template-protected or Template:Edit fully-protected. See those pages for full instructions. It is vital that you provide clear details of the change you wish to see in the form, change 'X' (current content) to 'Y' (your proposed changes) and that you provide sources to corroborate. (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 03:19, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Request correction on article titled-“Facism”[edit]

Wikipedia article on facism cites “radical right-wing authoritarian....” in the first sentence. However, websters dictionary has the correct definition of facism-“severe social and economic regiment and also forcible suppression of opposition.” The defintion of facism should be exactly as cited in websters dictionary and should not incorrectly label facism as right wing. when those two traits of economic regiment and suppression of opposition are characteristics of the left-wing. It is innacurate and clearly politically biased to label facism “right-wing”. It is exclusively of the left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:17, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

This has been extensively discussed in the past. See the article talk page for more information. Eagleash (talk) 03:21, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not Websters. Other dictionaries give more nuanced definitions. Dbfirs 10:19, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


All the articles I have written have been hidden from Google search engines. what is the reason Akram.altameemi (talk) 09:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Akram.altameemi: Articles are not indexed by search engines for 90 days or until they have been reviewed. You have asked similar questions on previous occasions and it has been pointed out to you that articles you have written do not meet guidelines. Advice has been given to help you reach the standards required but this has not happened. Eagleash (talk) 09:11, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

You have made all the information and resources available in all articles. All the articles appeared on Google and days later disappeared. There was nothing about your belief that there were articles about football players.Akram.altameemi (talk) 09:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

You have written at least three articles about football players. The Iraq Premier League is not a fully professional league per Wikipedia's criteria; see WP:FPL. Requests for sources that the players have made appearances in top-tier FIFA-sanctioned internationals have not been answered satisfactorily. The pages therefore may not pass WP:NFOOTY and may be liable to deletion. When an article is tagged at it automatically reviews it. If search engines immediately index it that may not appear later if the pages are subsequently unreviewed if they are not suitable for mainspace. Eagleash (talk) 09:33, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


I have come across an article that I consider to be biased. I was about to edit it, but editing is locked. I have gone on to the talk: for that article and found others feel the same, but the article has not been edited to be more factual. What to do? TIA — Preceding unsigned comment added by WildLovelyOne (talkcontribs) 10:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@WildLovelyOne: please could you direct us to the article in question? Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 11:00, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
The general answer is in a thread above entitled #Correct a locked article. --Tkynerd (talk) 11:25, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikilinking cities[edit]

Hi there. I was copyediting an article and I came across a list of cities that were not wikilinked. To link them all might not agree with MOS:SEAOFBLUE, so I was wondering what others thought? Quote in question:’they would then be distributed to cities like Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Tampa, Nashville, Atlanta, Greensboro, and New York City.’ Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 10:55, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

MOS:OL states that cities generally shouldn’t be linked, but in the context, I think it would be useful for the reader to see the locations of each of the cities. Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 10:58, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

"Generally" means in most situations but not all. If you believe the names are better linked then ignore the guideline and do so. If someone reverts you, then you should discuss why the names should be linked/or remain unlinked.– Ammarpad (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Banque du Caire page updates reversal[edit]

Dear Wikipedia Team (Yunshui)

My Name id Hesham Daabes, Chief Information Officer (CIO) of Banque du Caire, Cairo, Egypt. The bank's Marketing, Customer Relations and Technology teams are trying to edit/update the current Bank's profile page on Wikipedia with no success. In every update instance, the changes are rejected and reverted back to the original information which is quite outdated and completely irrelevant to the bank. It is unclear to us "Why" this is the case and we have no luck connecting with your support teams to understand the issue. I hereby urge you to consider my request in allowing us changing the Bank's profile on Wikipedia. Please let me know if our attempts are done wrongly by any means and/or provide us with some guidance on how we can achieve this task successfully. The issue is now fairly sensitive to our organisation and critical to our brand image and authenticity of our profile. I am happy to hear back any suggestions.

Appreciate you prompt response to my request.

Best Regards Hesham Daabes Chief Information Officer Banque du Caire HQ Nasr City, Cairo Egypt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daabesh (talkcontribs) 16:20, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

You are advised to read both WP:COI and WP:PAID. It is strongly encouraged that editors with a conflict of intrest do not edit articles connected to themselves, instead posting edit requests on the article's talk page. This is because wikipedia exists to record what reliable sources say about a topic, which typically conflicts with what a marketing department would say about a topic. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 18:19, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
@Daabesh: I put some brief "welcome" information on your talk page. You made some very common mistakes as a first-time user because you were not familiar with some Wikipedia basics. Please take some time to look this material over, and if you then have questions, come back here. Your edits were reverted because you removed referenced material and the references, and your new material appeared to be promotional in nature. No harme done: new editor are expected to make mistakes. As OxonAlex said, you must also comply with the terms of service of this web site that apply to paid users. Please don't take this the wrong way. If there are errors in the article or new information for the article, we want to know. put suggestion for edits on the article's talk page. It is imperative that you supply references, or your suggested changes cannot be made. -Arch dude (talk) 03:04, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Possible edit-conflict / overwrite?[edit]

I was editing the page for the Dresden Files novel Skin Game.

When I clicked to Save my edits, I got a notice of an edit-conflict, where someone else had edited while I was editing, warning me to merge the edits; this is deeper into the bowels of wiki-edits than I'm comfortable doing! I wasn't even clear what the other edits are/were.

What I meant to do -- what I tried to do -- was copy my edits off to a local clipboard, Cancel out of editing, then come back in a few minutes and re-do them.

But when I went to look... behold! My edits were in place. Even though I clicked "Cancel." And when I "View History" -- mine was the only entry for days.

I have no idea how to find that other change, or (re-)implement it, or... well, fix it. Or did it automagically fix -- no thanks to me! -- and I'm obsessing about nothing? 2601:645:501:DB74:5438:AB54:3018:9462 (talk) 17:21, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that kind of edit conflict, where your edits are accepted but you get an edit-conflict message anyway, has become fairly common recently – maybe the last two months. I've never seen a convincing explanation of what causes it, or of how to avoid it. Maproom (talk) 17:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I've had this happen when I've accidentally pressed "save changed" twice, and the server thought I was trying to edit conflict myself. That's the only explanation I've seen. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 18:31, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Brief about the word[edit]

I want to describe the superlative form of attorney which is attornist which means (Attorney in a Professional way) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attornist (talkcontribs) 21:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Attornist: That may not be a good fit for Wikipedia, since this is an encyclopedia. Look at the dictionary project instead: [2] RudolfRed (talk) 21:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
@Attornist: Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. -Arch dude (talk) 02:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
@Attornist: Not even Wiktionary will accept protologisms unless they have been used in independent sources spanning at least a year. Wiktionary does have Wiktionary:Appendix:List of protologisms where you could add the word if you think it will start to be used in WP:Reliable sources other than your own website and its advertising, but this is definitely not the place to advertise your company. Dbfirs 06:32, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Are redundant links permissible if the first is piped?[edit]

It doesn't seem to be covered in the Manual of Style section on redundant links (no offense to whoever wrote it), so please let me know.--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Thylacine24:This is a matter of editorial judgement. If in your opinion the benefit to the typical reader of the extra link outweighs the clutter of overlinking, Then link. Like all other such edits, someone else may disagree and revert, so no harm. -Arch dude (talk) 02:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
@Arch dude: This is the page that led me to ask this, which contains two links for "giant panda", the first labeled "Pandah", in the sentence directly before the second. Could you please let me know your opinion on this particular example?--Thylacine24 (talk) 11:53, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
@Thylacine24: I'd get rid of the wikilink in the quote, per MOS:LWQ. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 13:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
@Finnusertop: Thanks for telling me; I've removed the link.--Thylacine24 (talk) 18:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

August 21[edit]

Uploading images to wikipedia[edit]

Hi there,

Could you please assist with uploading images to a wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanishalafitani (talkcontribs) 01:34, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

@Tanishalafitani: First, get the image file of the picture onto your computer. If you are the photographer who took the picture, then you own the copyright and you may upload it and license it to us. If you do not own the copyright then you cannot upload it (with very few exceptions). To upload, click on the "upload file" link in the left-hand column of this or any other page, and follow the instructions. Come back here with a specific question if you have difficulties at any point in the process. -Arch dude (talk) 02:19, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
That link provides a further link to the Commons upload wizard at Commons:Special:UploadWizard. If you own the copyright, then it is usually best to upload an image to Commons and link to it there, rather than directly to Wikipedia. Dbfirs 13:29, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Page deletion[edit]

Hi there, I want to know why my page production, cost and pricing was deleted? I chose this topic from the list of Most Wanted Articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omer Canon (talkcontribs) 04:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

@Omer Canon: Your page has not been deleted it is at Draft:Production, costs, and pricing. What was deleted was the redirect created when you moved the content from article space to draft. A redirect from mainspace to draft cannot exist. The red link in your contributions gives a link to the reason. (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:47, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, one more thing... so this means that my page is still pending for review right? if not then how should I move this for review and how should I get this published? Omer Canon (talk) 05:34, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, there is an AfC review notice in place. Eagleash (talk) 05:40, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

@Eagleash For sure I will replace those references. After replacing them what should I do to get it published? Here I mean to say that which indication will let the editor know that this is ready to be reviewed and published? Thanks for your help again Omer Canon (talk) 08:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omer Canon (talkcontribs) 06:43, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Please, any update?

Omer Canon (talk) 09:53, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

As it says in the review box on your draft: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 8 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,633 pending submissions waiting for review." If you have the draft on your watch list you will see there when it is updated. Usually a reviewer will also give feedback on your user talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:01, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

How to update company logo on company page[edit]


The logo for the company, '3D Repo' needs to be updated on the company page -

The updated logo image can be found here:

The company notes the official logo on this page:

I cannot upload the image myself as I am a new user to Wikipedia.

How can I update the logo image?

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Holygeorge8 (talkcontribs) 13:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that the previous logo had its copyright released, so I've uploaded a low-resolution image of the new logo direct to Wikipedia under a Fair use justification. I assume that the company does not wish the logo to be free to use by rivals as Drjozefdobos (the company founder who designed the logo?) claimed when uploading the previous versions to Commons. The new logo should now show in the article and may not be used elsewhere. Google will catch up when their crawlers next find the article. Dbfirs 14:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
@Dbfirs: Neither the new logo nor the old one seems likely to be elegible to copyright per commons:Commons:Threshold of originality. Therefore, it can (should?) be transferred to Commons with the commons:Template:PD-textlogo template. (Also, even it if was copyrighted, if someone with the authority to release a CC-BY-SA uploaded it to Commons, the license cannot be revoked.) TigraanClick here to contact me 15:38, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I appreciate that American copyright and trade mark rules are less rigorous than those in the UK, but I'm British, and so is the company, so I was following British rules to be on the safe side. The earlier logos were more complex, so if I was founder and designer, I wouldn't want them used by rivals. Thanks for the advice. I agree that the current logo is too simple for copyright. Dbfirs 16:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I wouldn't want [my logos] used by rivals - yet another nitpick: I think you are confusing copyright ("don't distribute my creative work without authorization"), which is a problem for us on Wikipedia as we distribute media files, with trademark ("don't use a visual identity similar to mine"), which is not (we are not pretending the logo to be ours, and we are not in the business of selling stuff related to their company). TigraanClick here to contact me 08:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

edits got rejected[edit]

I just updated the wikipedia page of to include more details about his life and his work, and the edits got rejected by clcstudent with a message that they "did not appear constructive". My edits were largely bringing the wikipedia page in line with publically available information about his life, adding substantial information and references and making it consistent with the german wikipedia page about him. My edits got fully reverted to the old version - while I think the new version is (was) considerable better. Can I just "undo" the revert? Or do the edits need to be approved by someone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwstauk (talkcontribs) 17:08, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

I suggest that you ask the editor who reverted your changes why he considered them unconstructive; it isn't obvious to me why he thought so, because you did provide references. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:14, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Edits do not usually need to be "approved" but if someone undoes them, as in this case, the next step is to discuss on the article's talk page, or the talk page of the user who reverted, and have a discussion about why you think the content should be added. (I will say as an aside here that the use of rollback to revert the edits does not seem appropriate.) CrowCaw 17:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
  • thanks for the help. I can't reply directly to User:CLCStudent, because their talk page is protected, so will follow the advice to discuss on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwstauk (talkcontribs) 17:32, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Pwstauk: You are a new editor whose only edits were to a single article, and those edits included removal of a reference and addition of unreferenced material. This is a pattern that very frequently signals promotional editing, and those brave and overworked souls on the "recent changes patrol" often revert them out of hand (being far too overworked to perform a detailed analysis) and depend on the WP:BRD process to resolve any resulting problem. In this case, The substance of your edits looks very good. However, Wikipedia does require that you cite reliable sources. If you have problems with adding your sources, look at Wikipedia:referencing for beginners, and then come back here if you need further help. And please do not give up, we need your help. -Arch dude (talk) 17:37, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Arch dude: - I can't see any sign of a ref being removed. Some text (with its supporting ref) was moved from one place to another, but which ref do you think was removed? - David Biddulph (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


How do i edit a page that does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talkcontribs) 22:20, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Bill cage I'm not sure what you are referring to; do you mean your user talk page? 331dot (talk) 22:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
@Bill cage: I added some basic information on your talk page. Please do not attempt to create an article about a non-notable subject: that just leads to frustration. -Arch dude (talk) 22:27, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

@331dot never mind. i was trying to ask how to create my own article, but i ended being an idiot and asking it in a very stupid way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talkcontribs) 17:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Emmett Till[edit]


I am a UCSC student and I recently worked on a research paper where the topic was of my choosing, I chose to write about Emmett Till. I was very surprised (as much surprised as America's current AND PAST politics continue to surprise me - not) to find the OBVIOUS misinformation regarding Emmett Till's murder. He was NOT lynched. I'll say it one more time, HE WAS NOT LYNCHED. This FOURTEEN YEAR OLD BOY was kidnapped from his family's home, BRUTALLY TORTURED, BEATEN, HIS EYES WERE GOUGED OUT, HE WAS NAKED, HE WAS SHOT, AND THE HE WAS HOG TIED WITH WIRE BEFORE BEING THROWN IN A RIVER. It is INCREDIBLY disheartening that people who google search his name will be met with blatant LIES and MISINFORMATION. Let us be truthful when describing the injustices of AMERICA'S ARROGANT AND RAMPANT WHITE SUPREMACY. DO NOT ALTER FACTS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayegibs (talkcontribs) 23:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Ayegibs, that's a discussion for that articles talk page (which I see you've already posted the same thing to). Lynching a type of murder. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:15, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Chris Bearde[edit]

Chris bearde 1963.jpg

I have editor permissions, but couldn't see how to edit or link the banner box at the top of this page.

Contact me for a copy if this isn't good enough

Attached - a photo of Chris Bearde taken in Jan 19673 - which may add to the appeal of that page. (He was a family friend of my father in the sixties) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcoop (talkcontribs) 23:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Done – Thjarkur (talk) 23:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

August 22[edit]


I asked a question on here earlier, and someone said they did'nt understand what i was asking. I tried to reply to explain it to them, but i coud'nt figure how to do it. i probably seem very stupid right now, but this is literraly my first day as a user, so i still have basically no idea how to do anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talkcontribs) 01:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bill cage: there is an [Edit] link next to each section header. Click on that, add you answer at the bottom the edit box and hit save. 2001:16B8:507B:6F00:F5EE:863:CD02:6EA3 (talk) 04:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Hello Bill cage, welcome to Wikipedia. If you would like help getting started on Wikipedia and getting to know what it is all about, please take the Tutorial. This should help you get to grips with what Wikipedia is about and tell you how you can start editing and participating in the community. If you would like help editing please see This guide on editing. At first, I recommend you try small edits on minor pages, which you can find by clicking the ‘Random article’ button to the left of this page. I wouldn’t recommend you create an article at first, it takes plenty of time and experience to do that. I hope that helps, if you have anymore questions, please do ask. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 07:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@willbb234 thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talkcontribs) 17:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Allegations of infidelity[edit]

I was looking at the articles on Seth Avett and on The Avett Brothers. In reading some stories online about them, I came across this allegation in Radar Online ( that Seth's alleged cheating on his first wife with the woman who is now his second wife was, again allegedly, a factor in the departure of the drummer in December 2012. The date in this report of the beginning of Avett's relationship with his now second wife (late 2012) conflicts with the date in the Wikipedia article (2013), and the article on the Avett Brothers fails to mention this as a factor in its description of the drummer's departure. To be clear, I'm just a music fan; I have no desire to include sensative personal matters like this in an article, except when they seem relevant to the content, which in this case they arguably do. I'm posting here for guidance instead of the article talk pages because I'm trying to be as discrete as possible in the event that this information has no place in the article (due to reliability of the sourcing, relevance, etc.). My other concern, however, is that I hate for articles to turn into hagiography, where all negative information about the subject is elided even when relevant — and it seems to me if it was a factor in the drummer's departure, it's relevant. I also resent the wrong date being given in the Seth Avett article if it's incorrect.


The matter you are bringing up is important and relevant, so I would add it on the talk page. Firstly, review the article on the Huffington Post that is the current source (source No. 8). Is it more reliable than the Radar Online? See WP:RS for help. If it is more reliable, leave the text how it is and discuss the matter on the talk page. If it is less reliable, Be Bold and change it to what the Radar Online says. If someone reverts you, talk to them on the talk page about it and take it from there. If you are not sure of the reliability of the sources, or think they are equal, don’t change anything, just discuss on the talk page and put forward your points. Apologies I wasn’t more specific or couldn’t properly answer your question - I couldn’t open either source for some strange reason. Anyway, I hope that helps, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 07:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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@Willbb234: I appreciate the advice! Thanks so much! Engelhardt (talk) 15:46, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

changing tilte[edit]

Hi, I am trying to fix the tile of "kakaobank" page to kakaobank from current "KakaoBank" as the front is correctly written form. It would be great if anyone can help me the method. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil.lee2180 (talkcontribs) 07:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Phil.lee2180. To do this, you must have a Reliable source showing the proposed change. Once you have that, the best option is to discuss it on the Talk page of the article, and see if others agree that it should be changed. To change the title of an article, we can move a page but this requires Autoconfirned rights, which you don’t currently have. If you are in anyway associated with the company, please see WP:COI and we strongly recommend you don’t edit the article in question, please discuss it with others. If you are being paid to edit you must disclose this. I hope that helps, if you have anymore questions, please do ask. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 07:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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The references in the article mainly use the capitalised version, so Wikipedia should do the same according to WP:Commonname. The uncapitalised version seems to be the trademark of Kakao Bank, not its official name, but if you can find WP:Reliable sources that say something different, then please mention them here or add them to the article. Dbfirs 10:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Information addition to site[edit]

My name is Tom Osborne and I am inquiring if my life’s accomplishments are sufficient to be list added to the ‘List of Notable People’ from the State of WV. I was born and raised in Morgantown, WV, son of a coal miner and glass factory worker. I am an inventor with design and utility patents and a TV personality on ABC’s hit reality show, Shark Tank. I am a former Vice President of Food Safety and Regulatory Affairs for Tyson Foods, the largest US based protein companies with 28-years experience...retiring in 2017 to assume the role of President and Chief Operations Officer of BioWALL, a Sabre Company, the company called upon by the US government to decontaminate the US Capitol following the 2001 biological terrorism attacks of weaponized ANTHRAX. BioWALL is a global authority on mitigating biological and chemical threats, sole company contracted by the US Department of Defense with proven tactical deployment methods and technical capabilities to eliminate viral and bacterial bio-threats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CCIBBInventor (talkcontribs) 10:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@CCIBBInventor: You seem to have had an impressive career; I would note, however, that the requirement for being added to the list you speak of is that a Wikipedia article about you would need to exist. To merit a Wikipedia article, you would need to have been extensively written about in independent reliable sources that show how you meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. If you review the criteria and truly feel you meet it in some way, it is strongly advised that you not attempt to write about yourself, please see the autobiography policy. You could visit Requested Articles to request that others write about you(if proper sources exist), though it will likely not be done quickly due to the significant backlog there. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the very fast response. There are publications, articles and other media specific to me and the achievements I’ve made that will qualify. How do I send those articles to you? CCIBBInventor (talk) 10:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@CCIBBInventor:Note that I moved your comment from the talk page of this page, which is only for discussing the operation of this page. Replies should be made on this page. You should not "send" anything to me personally; you may visit Requested Articles and follow the process there to make a request that others write about you. As I indicated, please understand that it may not be done quickly. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

A minor edit of the title of a n article[edit]

Hello everyone. I made an article about a person, but I created that with the last name written in small letters.

Is there a way to correct that?

Mostafa_Heravi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princilll (talkcontribs) 12:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I've moved it for you, but you could have moved it yourself as your account is auto-confirmed. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:54, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: Button sig.png, but do not sign in articles. Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 13:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

/* Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Gracie the English Springer Spaniel */[edit]

/* Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Gracie the English Springer Spaniel */ I don't want it to be deleted please help me restore it i just want it to be accepted — Preceding unsigned comment added by SerdoCowmoo (talkcontribs) 13:49, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

SerdoCowmoo As it is now, your draft has no chance of being accepted. I don't mean to be frank, but I must tell you the truth. Wikipedia has articles about subjects shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Your draft is sourced to nothing at all and does not indicate how this dog is notable. Having 5,000 YouTube subscribers is not relevant to notability as defined by Wikipedia(it's also not a large number relatively speaking); they could have 50 subscribers or 5 billion subscribers; if no independent reliable sources write about this subject, it does not merit an article on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 13:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
SerdoCowmoo, creating a nonsense draft and asking for it to be reviewed just wastes reviewers' time and does not help your cause. Dbfirs 14:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Wording change at Philadelphia[edit]

I disagree with this edit, because I think the word coterminous is a standard word that readers generally would understand, but I'm not sure what our standards are on this. (I saw the change simply because the article is on my watchlist.) I checked the MOS but didn't see anything helpful there, and the Geography Wikiproject doesn't appear to have its own MOS. I considered being bold and reverting the change with a polite edit summary, but I haven't edited that much in a long while, and I don't want to run afoul of changing rules, guidelines and perceptions in the community here. Any advice? --Tkynerd (talk) 14:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

This might just be me, but I've never heard the word coterminous before, and it could be argued to fall under MOS:JARGON. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 14:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I do not believe this is a word that our average reader will be familiar with. GMGtalk 15:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I've heard of the word(though I don't think it is a common term even in the US), but it is important to remember that Wikipedia has a global audience and the terminology needs to be accessible to all. 331dot (talk) 15:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm fine with acceding to that. I do, however, also think that the alternate wording is incorrect or at best misleading, so I'm going to tweak it. Thanks for the responses. --Tkynerd (talk) 15:03, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
User:Tkynerd, you could use coterminous followed by a paranthetical explanation, which is one option in MOS:JARGON. TSventon (talk) 15:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
TSventon, I should have thought of that! Thanks for the suggestion. But I tweaked the wording already, and I think I'm satisfied. :-) --Tkynerd (talk) 15:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@Tkynerd: Thanks for your work. In general, when an editor disagrees with you, you should discuss it with that editor, usually on the article's talk page. This is called bold-revert-discuss: see WP:BRD. There should be no hard feelings either way: you are both trying to improve Wikipedia: see WP:AGF. If the two editors cannot agree, then go to WP:DISPUTE. -Arch dude (talk) 18:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Sock of Blake20[edit]

C.Syde65 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1999Newbie (talkcontribs) 17:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

1999Newbie If you have a question, feel free to ask. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 17:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


I plan on starting to write articles very soon, but one thing i don't know how to do is splitting it in diffrent sections and naming those sections. if i'm confusing anyone, well i don't really know the correct term yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talkcontribs) 17:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bill cage: You make new sections within articles by adding the section title (without all caps please) between 2 groups of 2 equals signs. (E.g. == Smith's early life ==). Subsections can be made by groups of 3, then 4 equals signs. Click on 'edit source' at the top of this section to see an example. Please study the links left at your talk page. A good deal of the information you will need is contained within them. (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@Bill cage: As mentioned before, I wouldn’t recommend creating an article this quickly. Of course, it is your decision but it is more likely it will get deleted with less experience. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 17:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@Bill cage: you can practice by adding section to your user page, or by creating a "sandbox" page. You can try sections, subsections, pictures, etc. Feel free to copy and paste from existing pages to give yourself a place to start. Since we already have almost 6 million articles, you may discover that the stuff you wish to add to Wikipedia will fit well into an existing article. That's a good way to get started. -Arch dude (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia hiring[edit]

I need to know as I want to be the admin but not sure if there are any admin jobs and how much do admins get paid per hour — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

This is a volunteer project; editors are not paid by Wikipedia, and neither are administrators. We're all here because we want to build this encyclopedia for the benefit of humanity, not to get paid. 331dot (talk) 18:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Maybe you should do some research on what it means to be an admin at Wikipedia:Administrators. †dismas†|(talk) 18:34, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
More broadly, you should read up on any company before attempting to apply for a position at it. Matt Deres (talk) 20:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Citing a TV show[edit]

Can a TV show be cited for say the plot of the show? For example, citing the link to the show on a website such as BBC iplayer? Is there a specifc template for this? Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Plots don't need specific citations, as the plot can be confirmed by viewing the program. 331dot (talk) 22:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)